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What do you guys (specifically elmoret) suggest for upgrading the Workbench:
Kraken or Chimera?
I plan on enclosing the build area. Because of this, I was leaning towards the Kraken for the water cooling.
A carriage re-design (adding 2 more LM10UU bearings for a total of 4) would also probably be in the mix.
Pro's/con's for each?
Side note: what would be involved in adding a 3rd or 4th extruder to the Workbench?
I'm not yet familiar with the Workbench - things I need to know:
- What board does it use? (printrboard, I think?) photo would be helpful.
- What hotends does it use? Photos would be really helpful here.
=====other questions you asked which I will help with after the above are answered====
I'd like to print composites of Nylon or PC with Support and possibly a 3rd filament (flexible).
I will enclose the build volume.
Kraken or Chimera?
I've seen the airtripper bowden projects, but what parts would I need to procure to make this happen beyond what is in the kits you sell?
Do you happen to know if a 3rd extruder would be a simple or complicated addition to the Workbench?
Hey guys, please give me some tips about retraction and how it's adjusted
Hey guys, please give me some tips about retraction and how it's adjusted
In your slice profile you can adjust 2 things for retraction speed and distance. My recommendation is to start by increasing speed if you are experiencing blobing. If that doesn't help increase distance. If you are experiencing holes then do the opposite. Past that you'll need to provide details of the problems you're experiencing.
Attached are images of the boards in the machine, the top (daughter board: BED, Z-axis, BED TEMP), and the main (bottom board: X-axis, Y-axis, Extruder 1/RIGHT, Extruder 2/LEFT, and heaters/temp sensors for extruders, LED, and fans). The Filament fan has its own port on the board (1st one on the top at the far right side). The remaining fans are all always on via a splice from the next port below the filament fan.
I'll attached a second set of images of the hot ends.
I'm not yet familiar with the Workbench - things I need to know:
- What board does it use? (printrboard, I think?) photo would be helpful.
- What hotends does it use? Photos would be really helpful here.=====other questions you asked which I will help with after the above are answered====
I'd like to print composites of Nylon or PC with Support and possibly a 3rd filament (flexible).
I will enclose the build volume.Kraken or Chimera?
I've seen the airtripper bowden projects, but what parts would I need to procure to make this happen beyond what is in the kits you sell?Do you happen to know if a 3rd extruder would be a simple or complicated addition to the Workbench?
Workbench (not so) hot ends.
Attached are images of the boards in the machine, the top (daughter board: BED, Z-axis, BED TEMP), and the main (bottom board: X-axis, Y-axis, Extruder 1/RIGHT, Extruder 2/LEFT, and heaters/temp sensors for extruders, LED, and fans). The Filament fan has its own port on the board (1st one on the top at the far right side). The remaining fans are all always on via a splice from the next port below the filament fan.
I'll attached a second set of images of the hot ends.
elmoret wrote:I'm not yet familiar with the Workbench - things I need to know:
- What board does it use? (printrboard, I think?) photo would be helpful.
- What hotends does it use? Photos would be really helpful here.=====other questions you asked which I will help with after the above are answered====
I'd like to print composites of Nylon or PC with Support and possibly a 3rd filament (flexible).
I will enclose the build volume.Kraken or Chimera?
I've seen the airtripper bowden projects, but what parts would I need to procure to make this happen beyond what is in the kits you sell?Do you happen to know if a 3rd extruder would be a simple or complicated addition to the Workbench?
Those hotends look exactly like SD4 hotends.
Yup, that's printrboard (rev E). Standard solidoodle fare. It will support dual v6s, and will also support chimera/cyclops. For the latter, you'd have to go bowden, or redesign the carriage/mount.
A third extruder would require upgrading that expansion board sitting on top of the printrboard, or upgrading the printrboard altogether. This should give you 3 total extruders:
http://printrbot.com/shop/printrbot-extrudrboard/
Finally, those hotend mounts look a lot like SD4 mounts, so you should be able to follow along with their threads on E3D installation, if you decide to go v6. If you go that route you'll need to either print mounts, or machine down the groove mount on the E3D heatsink to a smaller diameter. Both have been done before here on the forums.
How do you level the hotends on a Workbench? Those screws in front of the hotend?
Those hotends look exactly like SD4 hotends.
Yup, that's printrboard (rev E). Standard solidoodle fare. It will support dual v6s, and will also support chimera/cyclops. For the latter, you'd have to go bowden, or redesign the carriage/mount.
I'm leaning towards the Kraken for the water since it'll be enclosed. What are the benefits of the Chimera over the Kraken?
A third extruder would require upgrading that expansion board sitting on top of the printrboard, or upgrading the printrboard altogether. This should give you 3 total extruders:
http://printrbot.com/shop/printrbot-extrudrboard/
Cool, I will look into that board. Thanks!
Finally, those hotend mounts look a lot like SD4 mounts, so you should be able to follow along with their threads on E3D installation, if you decide to go v6. If you go that route you'll need to either print mounts, or machine down the groove mount on the E3D heatsink to a smaller diameter. Both have been done before here on the forums.
How do you level the hotends on a Workbench? Those screws in front of the hotend?
I wish I could tell you how to level the hot ends but SD doesn't have ANY documentation for the Workbench online (and the box literally came with zero printed material) and it seems the E2 (left extruder) output from the mobo is faulty on my machine so I haven't even gotten far enough to level them.
elmoret wrote:Those hotends look exactly like SD4 hotends.
Yup, that's printrboard (rev E). Standard solidoodle fare. It will support dual v6s, and will also support chimera/cyclops. For the latter, you'd have to go bowden, or redesign the carriage/mount.I'm leaning towards the Kraken for the water since it'll be enclosed. What are the benefits of the Chimera over the Kraken?
Price, and air cooling (simpler).
Even if the enclosure gets to 50C, the airflow from the fan will be a cool breeze compared to extrusion temperatures.
The E3Dv6 starts to struggle with PLA at ambient much over 50C.
man Im glad I didnt try to get a workbench. Id rather have an SD3 modified into a better version cheaper. what happened to "all new extruders bla bla bla features much improved all metal etc...? Sam is just full of it. guess hes bilked thousands with same ol stuff why change huh. its like SD is stuck in 1st gear on 3D printer improvements. Ill just mod my SD2 and try some other printers for extra jobs. got the basics down after 2 years tweaking my old SD.
Would you guys object to staying on topic and splinter this discussion into another thread?
Would you guys object to staying on topic and splinter this discussion into another thread?
Ummm... What was the topic again? 
Would you guys object to staying on topic and splinter this discussion into another thread?
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This is simply awesome!!!!
Just a little teaser... More to come in a few days complete with a full set of assembly photos and instructions.
I definitely have some tweaking to really make this thing sing but for now it is functional and successfully completed the first print I tried.
Special thanks to IronMan for the code, Jagowilson for helping sort out the firmware side of things and AZERATE for moral support.
As always "Happy Printing!"
This is simply awesome!!!!
Just a little teaser... More to come in a few days complete with a full set of assembly photos and instructions.
I definitely have some tweaking to really make this thing sing but for now it is functional and successfully completed the first print I tried.
Special thanks to IronMan for the code, Jagowilson for helping sort out the firmware side of things and AZERATE for moral support.As always "Happy Printing!"
What??? Weill done! Looking forward to the details! That's exactly what I want to do with mine 
More details are now posted
http://www.soliforum.com/topic/10191/cy … ge-review/
I uploaded some mounts and firmware to thingiverse if that can help someone.
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:852608
This is for the Workbench WITH E3d cyclops hotend.
The hotend and changes i made to the printer works amazing! The cyclops print quality is perfect! 10/10 points from me.
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