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Alright, the race is on to see who can claim all those sweet internet points and thingiverse likes by making a mount for this that matches Lawsy's X-carriage so we all don't have to totally tear down the carriage. I'm somewhat light on work and I've got 10 hours of airplane time ahead of me in the next week so I'll see what I can do. However, there are a lot of people more talented than me out there! I'll order it once I'm at least somewhat happy with the mount design.
I will probably use a mount like this one to stick 2 geared bowden extruders on the back of my solidoodle. I would think you really want a geared design for more torque since it looks like there will more pressure pushing filament through than on a single extruder setup.
I already have an order in and even though I have little spare time I fully plan on designing up a carriage 
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Re: E3D's Cyclops/Chimera - Dual Extrusion, Single Nozzle/Hotend
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I already have an order in and even though I have little spare time I fully plan on designing up a carriage
Nice! That is probably enough for me to stop since after seeing your bull dog carriage I know yours will be nicer than anything I can whip up. Are you planning on using the Lawsy X-carriage?
Here's a screen shot of the mount I just whipped up in sketchup in less than an hour. That's the Lawsy X-carriage on the bottom and its just a rectangle over that and a front end designed to match the mounting holes on the heat sink. It is very rough and would need some reinforcing. If I get more bored I might keep working on it, I welcome any feedback.
I'm actually surprised E3D doesn't pay a designer to make a printable mount for the most popular printer brands. Sure, people will still hack it but I would think if the mounts were ready to go on the release date then they would sell even more hot ends.
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mdrVB6 wrote:
wardjr wrote:I already have an order in and even though I have little spare time I fully plan on designing up a carriage
Nice! That is probably enough for me to stop since after seeing your bull dog carriage I know yours will be nicer than anything I can whip up. Are you planning on using the Lawsy X-carriage?
Here's a screen shot of the mount I just whipped up in sketchup in less than an hour. That's the Lawsy X-carriage on the bottom and its just a rectangle over that and a front end designed to match the mounting holes on the heat sink. It is very rough and would need some reinforcing. If I get more bored I might keep working on it, I welcome any feedback.
I'm actually surprised E3D doesn't pay a designer to make a printable mount for the most popular printer brands. Sure, people will still hack it but I would think if the mounts were ready to go on the release date then they would sell even more hot ends.
Yes I plan on using Lawsy's base design similar to how I did the Bulldog mounts. I have been slowly designing one for the Kraken that I have sitting on my desk. I would like to come up with a mount that will accept both but at this point I can't say if that's the route I'll go.
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Re: E3D's Cyclops/Chimera - Dual Extrusion, Single Nozzle/Hotend
mdrVB6 wrote:
I'm actually surprised E3D doesn't pay a designer to make a printable mount for the most popular printer brands. Sure, people will still hack it but I would think if the mounts were ready to go on the release date then they would sell even more hot ends.
Two problems with that:
1.) It would require them buying and reverse engineering all of the "popular printers" since next to no one makes their CAD stuff public.
2.) These are very much in beta (so looking to attract only folks with technical expertise), and wouldn't be supported out of the box by almost any printer. As I'm sure you know, if you can handle upgrading a motherboard, adding a stepper, etc, designing a mount is trivial. I know it'd take around 10 minutes for me.
Plus, designing a mount is something that will vary from implementation to implementation. There's no one size fits all. Maybe someone wants a bowden on one, and a direct drive on the other. Or someone wants to do two direct drives. Or two bowdens. Or a BulldogXL on a Solidoodle, Or Lawsy carriages. Now you're attempting to create and support 3, 4, 5 mounts per printer, when really all of your time should be spent getting the product itself out the door.
The community is very good at making mounts. They are not very good at making hotends. Let the hotend specialists make hotends, let the community come up with mounting solutions.
Just my 2 cents.
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elmoret wrote:
The community is very good at making mounts. They are not very good at making hotends. Let the hotend specialists make hotends, let the community come up with mounting solutions.
+1
A slight tangent...speaking of the awesome stuff the community has created, it would be nice to have one Major topic category (like STL Showoff) with every useful .stl or link to parts which is all categorized by Topic line, i.e Printer Carriages, Bowden Mounts, Spool Holders, etc. and then all of the variations of each within that topic.
So much great stuff has been created...be good to have it all in one place!
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Re: E3D's Cyclops/Chimera - Dual Extrusion, Single Nozzle/Hotend
IronMan wrote:
elmoret wrote:The community is very good at making mounts. They are not very good at making hotends. Let the hotend specialists make hotends, let the community come up with mounting solutions.
+1
A slight tangent...speaking of the awesome stuff the community has created, it would be nice to have one Major topic category (like STL Showoff) with every useful .stl or link to parts which is all categorized by Topic line, i.e Printer Carriages, Bowden Mounts, Spool Holders, etc. and then all of the variations of each within that topic.
So much great stuff has been created...be good to have it all in one place!
Thingiverse needs a tagging feature. Plenty of people have made a mod for the solidoodle then not even put solidoodle in the title or description so its basically random luck if you run into it while browsing. Agreed that we need a better way to categorize everything.
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Re: E3D's Cyclops/Chimera - Dual Extrusion, Single Nozzle/Hotend
elmoret wrote:
mdrVB6 wrote:I'm actually surprised E3D doesn't pay a designer to make a printable mount for the most popular printer brands. Sure, people will still hack it but I would think if the mounts were ready to go on the release date then they would sell even more hot ends.
Two problems with that:
1.) It would require them buying and reverse engineering all of the "popular printers" since next to no one makes their CAD stuff public.
2.) These are very much in beta (so looking to attract only folks with technical expertise), and wouldn't be supported out of the box by almost any printer. As I'm sure you know, if you can handle upgrading a motherboard, adding a stepper, etc, designing a mount is trivial. I know it'd take around 10 minutes for me.
Plus, designing a mount is something that will vary from implementation to implementation. There's no one size fits all. Maybe someone wants a bowden on one, and a direct drive on the other. Or someone wants to do two direct drives. Or two bowdens. Or a BulldogXL on a Solidoodle, Or Lawsy carriages. Now you're attempting to create and support 3, 4, 5 mounts per printer, when really all of your time should be spent getting the product itself out the door.
The community is very good at making mounts. They are not very good at making hotends. Let the hotend specialists make hotends, let the community come up with mounting solutions.
Just my 2 cents.
Good points, I didn't think of it that way. I can understand how they are not intending this product for the people who are still struggling in any way with a single hot end. I think I will start accumulating and printing the parts for a couple bowden extruders. Hopefully I will have enough free time to do this mod after the start of the new year.
I have never used a dual extruder setup before. Is there another version of repetier out there that has manual controls for dual extruders built in?
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As far as I know, Repetier will not process the slicing directly. You run Slic3r separately, and then you can combine 2 separate .stl files into one for the sake of processing the required G-Code and then export that back into RH.
Your models must have the same origin and orientation and cannot have intersecting geometries, etc.
A bit of a pain, but it seems pretty straightforward.
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Re: E3D's Cyclops/Chimera - Dual Extrusion, Single Nozzle/Hotend
E3D used Cura to slice and spoke highly of it. Might be good to follow in their footsteps for now.
They also used RH and Repeater firmware.
Re: E3D's Cyclops/Chimera - Dual Extrusion, Single Nozzle/Hotend
So how to you manually test and calibrate each extruder (steps per mm) if there are no separate controls in repetier? Pronterface or another program?
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Re: E3D's Cyclops/Chimera - Dual Extrusion, Single Nozzle/Hotend
There's a drop down in RH right above the manual control for the extruder, you select it there.
Re: E3D's Cyclops/Chimera - Dual Extrusion, Single Nozzle/Hotend
It's my undestanding that you have to use a dual Bowden setup for the E3d Cyclops? I have done many upgrades to my SD3, and I am getting better results. I have read a lot of info on this. I really want to go,at least dual color.Is it best to buy 2 bowden extruders or make em? Has anybody made a mount yet for the Cyclops?Another thing will RH work with dual bowden setup.I probably will think of a lot more questions but that's enough for now.
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Re: E3D's Cyclops/Chimera - Dual Extrusion, Single Nozzle/Hotend
satman49 wrote:
It's my undestanding that you have to use a dual Bowden setup for the E3d Cyclops?
No, though that is the simplest path. Doing direct (especially both direct) is uncharted territory, though without a doubt possible. Just not not easy yet because no one has sat down and made a 2x direct mount yet.
satman49 wrote:
Is it best to buy 2 bowden extruders or make em?
Print 'em! The standard Lawsy MK5 plus a pair of http://www.filastruder.com/collections/e3d-spare-parts-and-accessories/products/groove-mount-bowden-adaptor would be the easiest route.
satman49 wrote:
Has anybody made a mount yet for the Cyclops?
wardjr is working on one. If he doesn't finish soon I'll make one, its pretty trivial.
satman49 wrote:
Another thing will RH work with dual bowden setup.I probably will think of a lot more questions but that's enough for now.
Yes. E3D uses the RH/Cura/Repetier firmware toolchain, so that's recommended for now to keep everyone on the same page.
Re: E3D's Cyclops/Chimera - Dual Extrusion, Single Nozzle/Hotend
Also, lets keep discussion in the Cyclops/Chimera thread. Merging threads now.
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I should have a mount ready for both direct and Bowden early next week. Both will be utilizing linear bearings. I kind of made an assumption that most buyers of this hotend would already have this upgrade. If any one needs a carriage that runs on a more stock setup let me know.
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The Bowden mount is done and will accommodate the Cyclops/Chimera and the Kraken.
I will post up files and photos tomorrow as it is just finishing up printing and I need to check for fit. (On the printer)
Next up a "Direct Drive" Mount which will be in a few more days.
Now if I just had a Cyclops to test it with 
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This is just my test jig and clearly I will need to put bearings in but I am not in the mood to tear a printer apart right now
The Cyclops/Chimera should bolt right on the front with no problems.
Now it's time to get creative and build a direct feed mount for the Cyclops/Chimera. 18mm of space isn't a lot of room to pack in two drive gears and tension arms. I remember seeing a drive motor that could push two filaments from one motor and a bunch of gears that flopped back and forth. Anyone know what I am talking about? I can't seem to find it now.
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Re: E3D's Cyclops/Chimera - Dual Extrusion, Single Nozzle/Hotend
will the belts clear that travel between the rods when the rest of assembly is on?
I want to do this on my SD2 with bowdens on rear of cabinet
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wardjr wrote:
This is just my test jig and clearly I will need to put bearings in but I am not in the mood to tear a printer apart right now
The Cyclops/Chimera should bolt right on the front with no problems.
Now it's time to get creative and build a direct feed mount for the Cyclops/Chimera. 18mm of space isn't a lot of room to pack in two drive gears and tension arms. I remember seeing a drive motor that could push two filaments from one motor and a bunch of gears that flopped back and forth. Anyone know what I am talking about? I can't seem to find it now.
yes I posted links to that drive and other like it in a topic on compact duel extruders a month or 2 ago
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Re: E3D's Cyclops/Chimera - Dual Extrusion, Single Nozzle/Hotend
http://www.soliforum.com/topic/8248/sd4 … ity-input/
theres a video of it here.
according to posts on this youtube link the maker will offer group discounts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ7D1I59mFo
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n2ri wrote:
will the belts clear that travel between the rods when the rest of assembly is on?
I want to do this on my SD2 with bowdens on rear of cabinet
That's a Kraken mounted on there now. The belts clear fine but Its not totally finished that's just my prototype to check for fitment. I'll hopefully get the completed file posted up before the end of the day. The Cyclops hangs on the front so there aren't any belt clearance issues at all.
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Re: E3D's Cyclops/Chimera - Dual Extrusion, Single Nozzle/Hotend
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http://www.soliforum.com/topic/8248/sd4 … ity-input/
theres a video of it here.
according to posts on this youtube link the maker will offer group discounts
This will not work, it is not capable of adjustable retraction which is essential - particularly for Cyclops.
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n2ri wrote:http://www.soliforum.com/topic/8248/sd4 … ity-input/
theres a video of it here.
according to posts on this youtube link the maker will offer group discounts
This will not work, it is not capable of adjustable retraction which is essential - particularly for Cyclops.
I already had that figured out but thank you for the verification. I will most likely run two motors face to face.
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