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Topic: Finally went to bowden, amazing

I've been extremely busy between work and my business I haven't had time to post in quite a while.  I bought the E3D v5 bowden a few months ago and have been using it with great success since.  Only issue is that since it so well replicates the extruders commands that the moire I got rid of adjusting the pot with the old hot end came back.  I already had the bare minimum I could run the pot at.  I never wanted to go with the hobbed bolt route, didn't seem as reliable as the gear i have on it now.  I like the compactness of this design which I got from http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:452554.

Of course I'm still not finished, but is there ever a stopping point ha?  I won't fully get rid of the pulsing from the motor until I:

A: Upgrade the steppers, which I'll be going to a better board.

B: Get a geared stepper motor, which is about to be ordered.

While I won't order a new board for this printer for awhile since I'm building a large platform printer, the geared stepper should take care of the rest of that pattern.

http://i.imgur.com/BMVemkQ.jpg

The arm that was designed with the extruder is using much smaller bearings than what I had on hand so I improvised with the trusty Mk5.

http://i.imgur.com/WGJPqQG.jpg

The ring around the motor shaft almost kept the extruder from lining up, so the filament is held tighter then I'd like against the gear.  All that will get a redesign after receiving the new geared motor.

http://i.imgur.com/NugVjWC.jpg

Here is my first object printed with it, which is the anchor for my cables to mount onto the back of the carriage.  I still have the pulsing pattern going on but it's much less noticeable than before.

http://i.imgur.com/vnIHICR.jpg

With the E3D already setup for bowden this was an extremely easy upgrade.  I'm very welcome to any thoughts, constructive criticisms, and questions you all have.  I am very pleased, and I'm also thankful I chose to buy a doodle.  We have a great community here, which I have learned an enormous amount from.  Our printers each have their own character and we grow with them. 

Thanks everyone!

Bowden SD3, Rumba, E3D hotend, Mk5 with RtRyder changes, Direct drive Y axis and bearings, GT2 pulleys and braided fishing line, Lawsy linear bearing conversion, M3 Z screw.

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Re: Finally went to bowden, amazing

test it on extreme fine detail small prints if possible. I do mostly N scale 1/160 vehicles with rear-view mirrors etc printed on my standard SD2

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I will definitely see what she can do.  Any files you have in mind for me to try out?

Bowden SD3, Rumba, E3D hotend, Mk5 with RtRyder changes, Direct drive Y axis and bearings, GT2 pulleys and braided fishing line, Lawsy linear bearing conversion, M3 Z screw.

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Re: Finally went to bowden, amazing

try a challenging item from this guys packs http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:310476

they are 1/200 scale as is

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Re: Finally went to bowden, amazing

Keep me informed. I am running a bulldogXL direct drive right now. I want to get that weight off of there! Its a heavy beast. I might just have a go at next week.

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Re: Finally went to bowden, amazing

Hmm, those tanks are really small.  I'm going to reprint it upright and see how it comes out, but for being little bigger than a penny I wouldn't say its too bad.  Looking through the ones others have printed they all scale them up about twice what it normally is.

I get better definition of course along the Z, but the area that it has to print when standing upright is so small my first one fell off ha.  I'm going to bury the model a bit to make the bottoms flat, then I'll post another pic.

http://i.imgur.com/aOces3d.jpg

The one on the left is printed upright, then the previous one for comparison.  It's mainly just better definition in the wheels.

http://i.imgur.com/hc44SEt.jpg

Here is the upright printed turret, I didn't think the barrel would fair too well, but this PolyPlus filament is amazing.

http://i.imgur.com/5ddJuMw.jpg

Bowden SD3, Rumba, E3D hotend, Mk5 with RtRyder changes, Direct drive Y axis and bearings, GT2 pulleys and braided fishing line, Lawsy linear bearing conversion, M3 Z screw.

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Re: Finally went to bowden, amazing

yes most print better in upright position than vertical. and I use mostly 2mm with .15 infill and support set at .31mm in
advanced  top and bottom 8 layers solid.


some times used 1mm layers

those pics are very promising so far. have you got stl files for parts needed to install the bowden? and can the extruder you used do higher temp materials and flex filaments also?

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8 (edited by n2ri 2014-11-04 19:59:55)

Re: Finally went to bowden, amazing

I thought the gear drive motor couldnt retract? the pic of filament feeding through drive gear looks like motor is bending filament as it goes through

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9 (edited by n2ri 2014-11-04 21:38:30)

Re: Finally went to bowden, amazing

what printer is this On it has external motor drive on Y axis plus lots of other mods on what looks like a SD3 frame

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Re: Finally went to bowden, amazing

That is a Solidoodle. A Bowden design kicks the extruder elsewhere then feeds the filament through a tube into the barrel of the hotend. Doing this requires a different extruder and different carriage.

This allows the ability to reach faster speeds since the weight of the motor is placed elsewhere, but some users claim this is less accurate....but it seems accusedmonk is doing quite well for himself!

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Re: Finally went to bowden, amazing

how hard would it be to do a duel extruder like this on an SD3-4 and still have at least 6x6 print area?

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Re: Finally went to bowden, amazing

tell us more about all your mods and how to get them. looks like your combination is working very well

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You can go through my topic history and i have it all already posted in these forums.  It's a fair amount that i have done, a lot is in my signature as well

Bowden SD3, Rumba, E3D hotend, Mk5 with RtRyder changes, Direct drive Y axis and bearings, GT2 pulleys and braided fishing line, Lawsy linear bearing conversion, M3 Z screw.

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yeah saw signature. have problems when searching topic history very far back on users here for some reason like once archived search eng ignores them.

what is a Rev E printerboard, and RtRyder changes? and whats with external Y axis motor? and GT2 pulleys? M3 Z screw... never heard of these mods. are some of the newer mods like them better? like several motherboad mods now plus duel extruder stuff and firmware/software etc. I think some have to be done just to swap out original extruder with E3D v6

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Re: Finally went to bowden, amazing

which nozzle size are you using now on your bowden?

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Re: Finally went to bowden, amazing

Mind if I ask what retraction settings you ended up with to eliminate stringing? Speed and length.

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Re: Finally went to bowden, amazing

also what remote bowden feed system did you use? where can we get one?

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Re: Finally went to bowden, amazing

You can use your existing extruder (Assuming it is a Lawsy MK5 or similar) plus one of these:

http://www.filastruder.com/collections/ … en-adaptor

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I am using the 0.4mm nozzle on the e3d.

So far I'm using the same retracting settings except for an extra mm of length.
30mm/s. 2mm length. I haven't been able to test any further unfortunately after the tanks.  My order of filament from makergeeks.com was on backorder so I'm dry atm.  I will be doing extensive testing once more comes in.

As for the feed system, im using the linked extruder from thingiverse and the parts that came with the bowden e3d hotend.  Im still using the drive gear, idler and stepper that came with my doodle.

Bowden SD3, Rumba, E3D hotend, Mk5 with RtRyder changes, Direct drive Y axis and bearings, GT2 pulleys and braided fishing line, Lawsy linear bearing conversion, M3 Z screw.