1 (edited by GMBridge 2014-10-08 19:54:15)

Topic: small issue with my new SD4 - Z offset thumbwheel

just got my SD4 on monday (oct 6th). started setting it up tuesday night, and noticed something - when I Z-Home, the back corner of the bed carriage hits the thumbwheel for the z offset (and when i say hits, i mean actual impact)

I've tried flipping the thumbwheel over to see if that would change the distance from the tip of the offset screw to the bottom of the thumbwheel, but the same issue occurs. so it appears the distance between the switch's activation & the back corner of the carriage is greater than the distance from the tip of the offset screw to the bottom of the thumbwheel, leading me to a few possible solutions:

1. longer z offset screw: currently appears to be a M3 0.5 35mm pan head machine screw, changing to a 40mm screw might help, or perhaps adding an acorn nut to the bottom of the current screw would give enough additional height to not cause issues
2. remount z carriage switch higher on carriage: drill new mounting holes in the carriage or print a mount to move the switch higher on the carriage
3. thinner thumbwheel: print a thinner thumbwheel (or a same thickness thumbwheel with a deeper cavity for the pan head to sit into)
4. do not install the thumbwheel on the machine screw & remove the offset mount each time i need to adjust the Z offset.

solutions 2 & 3 require a working printer (i'm not willing to disassemble the z carriage assembly on a just out of the box printer to drill & tap new holes for the switch), solution 1 depends on local availability of parts (the fastenal store down the road from my office could have the M3 0.5 40mm & M3 0.5 acorn nuts in on friday -- local home depot & ace & menards hardware stores do not have that size of machine screw available). solution 4 would be time consuming but workable.

so it looks like i need to accept solution 1 and be patient while the parts arrive, or use solution 4 for 2 days until the parts arrive, or am i overlooking something else to try?

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Re: small issue with my new SD4 - Z offset thumbwheel

Number 1 sounds like the solution!

For now, you could always drill a 3/32 hole through a pencil eraser and screw it onto the end of the screw...

I do wonder how SD was able to "Test Print" this unit before shipping...

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IronMan wrote:

Number 1 sounds like the solution!

For now, you could always drill a 3/32 hole through a pencil eraser and screw it onto the end of the screw...

I do wonder how SD was able to "Test Print" this unit before shipping...

well, they did something with it. the power supply was shipped inside the unit & the bubble warp around it was scorched & melted where it was touching the bed.

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Seriously...sounds like they could still use a really good packaging Engineer!

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cipher0 wrote:

forgot to put the notice to cut the zip


.... what zip ties?

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cipher0 wrote:

The one on the extruder holding the extruder and the x axis belt together. kinda.

unless its very well hidden, there's no zipties there or anywhere else in my SD4

7 (edited by jagowilson 2014-10-09 14:30:00)

Re: small issue with my new SD4 - Z offset thumbwheel

GMBridge wrote:
cipher0 wrote:

The one on the extruder holding the extruder and the x axis belt together. kinda.

unless its very well hidden, there's no zipties there or anywhere else in my SD4

Same. They didn't do this on all models.

OP, take a pair of needle nose pliers and bend your z offset switch upwards. This was my problem and I didn't figure it out until I sent support a video of my machine as it homed. You should be able to use the stock screw. I use it on my printer with a sheet of glass on the bed. It IS long enough. Just pick an arbitrary Z offset position (after you bend the switch) and balance the bed to where you need. You'll probably never touch your z offset screw after this. Haven't moved mine in months.

All of your other solutions will work, but try bending the switch first. It fixed ALL of my problems. Occam's razor.

In the case of my machine, they did do a test print, but they shipped it with Z homed, which, over a long enough time, will bend your z switch down. Never leave your machine homed for an extended period, powered on or not. If you are seeing the screw literally "jump" upwards when you home, you need to bend the switch upward.

Also, once you get to calibrating, please post your results. I found that my machine was perfectly calibrated. No need to change extruder steps per mm, no need to adjust extrusion multiplier from 0.6, nothing... All I've ever had to do is bend that switch, tighten belts and balance the bed.

8 (edited by jagowilson 2014-10-09 19:13:24)

Re: small issue with my new SD4 - Z offset thumbwheel

I mean this advice came from Solidoodle support, not my own judgement. And it worked, so, it is a valid solution supported by the developers of the machine.

Look more closely at how the mechanism in the switch works. I can't really explain how it works without pictures and my machine is printing right now, but I'm happy to explain if you can't figure it out.

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There is absolutely no problem with bending the limit switch.

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cipher0 wrote:

Even if you bend the metal part to make it higher, it will still need to be pushed down to the same point to press the button. Unless the button itself was moved up, I dont see how this will help.

Incorrect. That's not how levers work.

cipher0 wrote:

Maybe Im missing something.

Yup.

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Here's is what a depressed z switch looks like. This is the video I sent Solidoodle support.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/frj6lupj7fh81 … 1.mov?dl=0

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cipher0 wrote:

Oh, I see what you mean now, didn't realize it was bent from the middle.

Doesn't matter where you bend it.

cipher0 wrote:

I'm just trying to help.

Being wrong isn't helpful. Telling someone they're incorrect isn't being rude. I'd argue calling someone a dick is a whole lot more rude than anything I've ever said here on the forums. If you keep acting the way you have, no one's going to take the time to help you - I know of a few very knowledgable and experienced users who already feel that way about you. I'm just a glutton for punishment, I guess.


If I didn't respond to an email, that's probably because I didn't get it. You're welcome to send it again, or PM me your email address and I'll search for it. I can't say I've ever stopped responding to anyone via email, but if you keep calling me a dick I suppose there's a first time for everything.

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I found your email address by looking up your order. I've replied to every single one of your emails. If you didn't get them, check your spam folder I guess.

http://i.imgur.com/cGYRqkB.png

See the reply icon on the left? Please don't accuse me of things that aren't true.


cipher0 wrote:
elmoret wrote:

Doesn't matter where you bend it.

Yes it does if you bend it from the very base.

You can't get needle nose pliers on the base. I guess you're right. "It doesn't matter where you bend it within the range of which it can be bent with normal tools". Better?

Add me to the list of users that won't bother helping you from here on out. Best of luck in your endeavors.

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cipher0 wrote:

While you're adding me to the list (of course you have a list) of users you won't be helping

Actually you're the first, congratulations!

cipher0 wrote:

EDIT: And how you know that's my email and order id is beyond me.

You posted publicly you live in Armenia. I've had 3600 customers, but only one from Armenia.

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Haha you deleted the thread! This is rich. Let me see if its in my history.

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cipher0 wrote:

I'm pretty sure I haven't posted where I'm from.
And how come you have 3600 customers when there are 4000+ filastruders?
You're starting to get not only annoying but creepy. -_-

Who says theres 4000 Filastruders? Are you going off order number?

Some orders are for 0 Filastruders (accessories, or E3Ds), some are for 1, 2, 3, or 4 Filastruders.

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elmoret wrote:

Haha you deleted the thread! This is rich. Let me see if its in my history.

Found it in Google cache:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s … ent=safari

I'll screenshot it here in case you find a way to delete Google's cache too. It was a thread in the Filastruder subforum, so naturally I read it.

http://i.imgur.com/SDEXM9W.png

This has been incredible. First you make accusations, I prove you wrong. Then you make more accusations, and go and try to delete the evidence.

Unreal.

18 (edited by cipher0 2014-10-09 23:31:38)

Re: small issue with my new SD4 - Z offset thumbwheel

Oh you got me! yikes
You know whats funny? Im using a public login, and Im managing to mess with you here for so long. Not unexpected from you though. You derserve it though, dick...

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cipher0 wrote:

Oh you got me! yikes
You know whats funny? Im using a public login, and Im managing to mess with you here for so long. Not unexpected from you though. You derserve it though, dick...

This is hardly respectful or productive.
Please stop. PM Tim if you would like, but this will in no way help the community on any thread.

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20 (edited by a3393341 2014-10-16 09:00:41)

Re: small issue with my new SD4 - Z offset thumbwheel

These posts should be deleted. They don't make much sense. And whats a "public login?"

And I'll say both sides are guity.
cipher should act more mature and not call people names.
Elmoret should act less rude and a bit more professional to his customers.
This isn't just my opinion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA08Sdb9R-M

AppleNewsRelease wrote:

DO not buy form Filastruder
Tim is rude and offered no help at all in email.   I am going to make videos showing you guys why you should stay away form scam like this.  Open your paypal case now if your don’t before 45 days is up they will send you junk parts that doesn't fit nor work and steal your money don’t do what I did.  STAY away from these junks and buy from elsewhere.   Save yourselves time and money.

http://www.soliforum.com/topic/7698/wor … vice-ever/

foofoodog wrote:

Remember way back when, when you offered to refund my filastruder purchase price so you would never have to hear me whine about it? Does that offer still stand?

http://3dprintboard.com/showthread.php? … ong-hotend

TIm Elmore wrote:

The instructions aren't there because we got bored and had nothing to do. They're there because they're important. Apologies for being a bit frustrated but it wastes my time and yours when you don't read the instructions. Lose-lose all around.

Well sorry for missing that bit of text.... and I never said or had the intent of implying you ignored my email. Sure you can be frustrated, but letting it get the better of you and being rude to a paying customer isn't very professional.

Also disclosing where a user is from after he has probably removed that info for privacy reasons for no good reason isn't very professional either.

On topic: ive experienced this myself. I thought it was only me. Maybe we should mention this in the wiki?

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Wouldn't be a bad idea. Folks are more than welcome to copy the video I posted and use it as a reference for what the Z switch should *not* look like.

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AZERATE wrote:
cipher0 wrote:

Oh you got me! yikes
You know whats funny? Im using a public login, and Im managing to mess with you here for so long. Not unexpected from you though. You derserve it though, dick...

This is hardly respectful or productive.
Please stop. PM Tim if you would like, but this will in no way help the community on any thread.

+1

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Ggalisky wrote:
AZERATE wrote:
cipher0 wrote:

Oh you got me! yikes
You know whats funny? Im using a public login, and Im managing to mess with you here for so long. Not unexpected from you though. You derserve it though, dick...

This is hardly respectful or productive.
Please stop. PM Tim if you would like, but this will in no way help the community on any thread.

+1

++1

and thanks a3393341 and jagowilson for getting back on topic...I thought for a moment that smoke was coming out of my CPU! big_smile

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Re: small issue with my new SD4 - Z offset thumbwheel

So as far as I understand, since jagowilson notified Solidoodle about this, they won't be shipping any more printers in homed position, right?
Or should we send them another email suggesting this?

25 (edited by jagowilson 2014-10-10 02:52:03)

Re: small issue with my new SD4 - Z offset thumbwheel

a3393341 wrote:

So as far as I understand, since jagowilson notified Solidoodle about this, they won't be shipping any more printers in homed position, right?
Or should we send them another email suggesting this?

I have not suggested this to them. I only have anecdotal evidence to support that leaving your machine homed for a while is a bad idea--I've had to bend my Z switch back a few times from leaving it homed overnight or for a couple days when I didn't have time to print.

That being said, yes, it would probably be better if they didn't do this, because the bed also gets in the way of removing the red clips on the X carriage--I had a really hard time with this because the bed prevented me from getting my fingers underneath adequately. It'd probably be a good idea if they filled the printer with peanuts or something too; might stop people from getting printers with broken Z rods. You can't control UPS, but there are plenty of things they could do to decrease their DOA counts. In my opinion they aren't doing near enough, and should probably hire a packaging and shipping consultant.

My #1 suggestion is to stop shipping directions that lead to a 404, for the love of god, it's not hard, and I'd argue this is a far bigger deal than folks make it out to be. I've posted about it a couple times. It's unprofessional, and certainly a critical error.