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Topic: Solidoodle 3 - Stops extruding after first 20 layers or so

Ok, I'm getting very frustrated with my printer..I have been trying relentlessly to get back to where I can print objects again, and to no avail. I need help please.  smile

I recently replaced the hot end with another standard solidoodle hot end. My original had a bad clog, when I attempted unscrewing the nozzle from the barrel, the barrel threads broke off inside the nozzle. However, I was experiencing the same problem this post is in regards to with the old hot end as well.

Whenever I print something, the first few layers come out ok. Somewhere between 2-6 mm of height off the build plate, the filament stops sticking to itself. I go to sleep or come home from work, and find the print head moving in mid air above the build plate, with no filament extruding from the hot end, the filament in the extruder stripped completely, the extruder motor full of filament dust...and sometimes, a mushroom shaped clog at the top of the PEEK that prevents me from reversing the filament out of the extruder.

I've tried running at 192 - 205 degrees with the same results every time. Does anyone know what could be the cause? Taking apart the extruder to "fix" these issues, with no successful prints resulting, is getting very tiring.

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Re: Solidoodle 3 - Stops extruding after first 20 layers or so

If everything is actually working the way it should, that's a very BIG "IF".  It is possible you have bad filament.
I would try different filament and then revert back to my first sentence.

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3 (edited by xtaticlyme 2014-02-06 19:26:40)

Re: Solidoodle 3 - Stops extruding after first 20 layers or so

I've tried 3 different filaments.. all with the same result. 2 ABS and 1 PLA.

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Re: Solidoodle 3 - Stops extruding after first 20 layers or so

Well this could be caused by many things....
Your nozzle is definitely clogging so lets step through it.
1.  Is the tension arm set properly?  Too loose it will strip, too tight and it will squish the filament and then strip.
2.  You mentioned that the filament mushrooms out the top.  This tells me that you don't have a heat problem rather the
     Clog is occurring near the nozzle tip.  This could be caused by too high of temperature or contaminated filament.  Since
     you have tried different filament lets rule that out and go with the temp theory.  Have you calibrated your temp? 
     When look at your temp graph after this happens was the temp stable?
I have many more thoughts but lets just start with this.

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Re: Solidoodle 3 - Stops extruding after first 20 layers or so

I have used different tensions on the tension arm - same problem no matter whether it's just tight enough to feed, somewhat tighter, or very tight. Actually it printed on complete object when it was very tight. It didn't print a subsequent object though.

It mushrooms at the top of the PEEK, where the filament starts going into the ceramic. There is no clog at the nozzle when I am having this problem - I had a clog problem at the nozzle in the past. However, if I catch the printer not extruding filament during mid-print, and it's early enough, I can push filament through and it starts extruding again.. sometimes leading to several more layers being printed... sometimes leading to it stopping extrusion/layer adhesion again very quickly.

In other words, if I could sit next to the printer all day, and I had a was of determining the moment it stopped extruding while printing, I could gently push the filament into the extruder head to "give it a boost" and it would keep extruding/printing just fine.. but since I can't do that....

It's important to note that the extruder motor continues attempting to extrude plastic.. it just isn't coming out the nozzle. I'm not sure if that's clear from the conversation.

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Re: Solidoodle 3 - Stops extruding after first 20 layers or so

You have a cold clog the barrel isn't sealing to the peek.  Heat it up and tighten it be careful not to strip the plastic threads.  Then order an E3D:)
I'll be out for about an hour then I'll check back

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Re: Solidoodle 3 - Stops extruding after first 20 layers or so

My issue is the E-X-A-C-T same as Hunter Green's in a thread you talked with him on, here:

http://www.soliforum.com/post/50065/#p50065

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Re: Solidoodle 3 - Stops extruding after first 20 layers or so

Hunter wrote the WIKI for the E3D and in my opinion he is a huge asset to the community.  That being said I haven't seen him around these parts much as of late.  If I remember correctly the E3D did fix his issues you are referring to.  Unfortunately I think he sold his SD and bought something else.  It is easy to get frustrated when a problem arises that you can't seem to figure out.  All any of us can do is offer up advice from our past experience and hope it is helpfull to other users.

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Re: Solidoodle 3 - Stops extruding after first 20 layers or so

I'm dealing with this right now too... Prints just fine for the first couple of layers, and then stops extruding but continues with the print. I'm guessing it's a clog in the nozzle. I'm printing the mk5 pieces now, hopefully it gets through just fine. I'll be ordering an E3D soon

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Re: Solidoodle 3 - Stops extruding after first 20 layers or so

Exact same problem. Mine started after switching to the E3d. It will print fine for a while, then stop extruding. Extruded motor is working, but it just strips against the filament. I'll heat it up and tighten the nozzle.

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Re: Solidoodle 3 - Stops extruding after first 20 layers or so

A little Background, and an update:

I had a print (upper mandible of a 4 part skull) fail a couple of nights ago. When I checked on it, the printer was going through the motions, but not extruding any plastic. Assuming it was a clog I removed the nozzle, soaked it in Acetone until I removed all the ABS, ran a guitar string through it until it was perfectly clean. Reinstalled it tonight.

After reading this thread, I heated the hotend (E3D) and turned the nozzle in, to make sure it wasn't cold-clogging

I started the same print that failed last time. It stopped extruding on layer 22 or 23 (its hard to tell when it stopped extruding exactly, it was on one of those layers) and "clogged".  I compared this with the failed print, and it had stopped extruding on the exact same layer as before.

The extruder gear turns, but it acts like it is clogged up. No more filament will extrude, even if I manually extrude. Sometimes I'll get a little out, but it just stops.

It certainly seems like it might be cold clogging, but I cant see any reason why.

I print at 220-225 degrees (tried both). I might try printing at a slightly higher temp.....I dunno. It doesnt seem to be an extruder arm issue though, as the nozzle is certainly not extruding. Its just bizarre it failed at the exact same layer. I'll try printing something else to see if it finishes. Something using at least as much filament.

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I have got to say that I am also confused with the issues you guys are having.  I have been hammering through the rolls of filament with my original E3D.  Most of my filament is old and moist and dusty.  I never have any kind of clogs and I have never had to clean it in any way.
I would suggest that you ensure the drive gear, tension bearing and the hole in the top of your hot end are all aligned properly.  I like to set my tension arm by pulling  on the filament with the motor turning.  Basically try to stop it from extruding and adjust the tension until you achieve maximum grip.  Then clean that drive gear really well once your done.  Unless you have some really bad filament or it is really dirty I find it hard to believe that it is this easy to clog a .40 nozzle. 
I wish I had the answer smile

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13 (edited by en-rage 2014-02-20 06:00:35)

Re: Solidoodle 3 - Stops extruding after first 20 layers or so

When the print failed and it "clogged" I tried manually extruding, but it wouldn't. I am fairly certain it is not a tension arm issue as you'll see

After unplugging it and leaving it for a couple of hours I decided to fire it back up and see if it would extrude without me touching a thing since I'd left it jammed. As suspected, it extruded fine, I ran 300-400mm through it no prob.

There are a couple of things worth noting on mine (not sure if xtaticlyme's or kevin's are showing these issues). #1 the plastic is kicking out at an angle (25-35 degrees) if I extrude it straight down. #2 the free falling filament can come out with a very slight ripple in it #3 is that there is a definite rippled when it lays down the layers....like the edge of a lasagna noodle. more pronounced than when it is extruding into space, I've knocked down the extrusion multiplier but it didn't effect that....could be non related though. #4 there is a small amount of moisture in the filament. I had stored the machine for a couple of months while waiting to have time to fix it, the filament is only a couple months old as well. The small popping is maybe every 50mm to every 75mm on average, sometimes you can see a very small bubble on the filament as it extrudes. Not enough to show up in the print that ive seen, but it is something to take into consideration in my case. The final note being that the printer and filament are enclosed in plexiglas. The filament feeds off of a bar across the top and takes no real tension to pull from the roll. Can provide pics if needed

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Re: Solidoodle 3 - Stops extruding after first 20 layers or so

en-rage wrote:

When the print failed and it "clogged" I tried manually extruding, but it wouldn't. I am fairly certain it is not a tension arm issue as you'll see

After unplugging it and leaving it for a couple of hours I decided to fire it back up and see if it would extrude without me touching a thing since I'd left it jammed. As suspected, it extruded fine, I ran 300-400mm through it no prob.

There are a couple of things worth noting on mine (not sure if xtaticlyme's or kevin's are showing these issues). #1 the plastic is kicking out at an angle (25-35 degrees) if I extrude it straight down. #2 the free falling filament can come out with a very slight ripple in it #3 is that there is a definite rippled when it lays down the layers....like the edge of a lasagna noodle. more pronounced than when it is extruding into space, I've knocked down the extrusion multiplier but it didn't effect that....could be non related though. #4 there is a small amount of moisture in the filament. I had stored the machine for a couple of months while waiting to have time to fix it, the filament is only a couple months old as well. The small popping is maybe every 50mm to every 75mm on average, sometimes you can see a very small bubble on the filament as it extrudes. Not enough to show up in the print that ive seen, but it is something to take into consideration in my case. The final note being that the printer and filament are enclosed in plexiglas. The filament feeds off of a bar across the top and takes no real tension to pull from the roll. Can provide pics if needed

So if I understand what your saying about lasagna... Your E3D is not vertical.  This is most likely because it hits against the carriage.  Pull it out of the MK-5 and use some tape as a shim behind it until it sits vertical.  Then align the gear with the hot end.  That should cure your lasagna and probably your other problems as well.

I can say this if after a "clog" you let it sit and come back and it extrudes... That isn't a clog.
Stop underestimating the importance of alignment of the filament as it enters the E3D. 
I have had certain filaments get soft because of the heat in the enclosure so you might also try taking the top off your printer and see if that changes things.

As far as free air extrusion coming out at an angle I wouldn't let that bother me.  I have never had a hot end that doesn't do that to some degree. I think most of what your seeing is unequal shrinkage as the filament leaves the nozzle and cools.
Unless your nozzle got dropped or damaged in some way.  But that would be visible to the naked eye.

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Re: Solidoodle 3 - Stops extruding after first 20 layers or so

Thanks for the reply Wardjr, I'll have a look at the alignment in the Mk5, that makes sense. I'll run a print to see if I can see which way it is tilting.

I'll also check the alignment of the extruder gear to E3D alignment, and let you know.

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Re: Solidoodle 3 - Stops extruding after first 20 layers or so

I dont want to jinx it, but my particular problem was that the fan on the E3D was cutting out due to a bad connection.

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Re: Solidoodle 3 - Stops extruding after first 20 layers or so

Well, it looks like the problem I was experiencing has been remedied (so far) by switching to a different filament. Apparently the stuff I was using wasn't all that great, because the few prints I've done since switching are a night and day difference!