1 (edited by Boz 2014-01-29 16:58:39)

Topic: E3D Hotend mount for SD3 with active cooling fan (stock carriages)

I've been working on mashing up several designs as well as my own input to make a E3D hotend extruder mount for the SD3 that can:

1.  Swap the hot end out quickly and easily
2.  Allow for a 40mm fan to be used for active cooling
3.  Be adaptable to the stock carriages and extruder motor

Note:  I will eventually rearrange/fix my cables so that they go through the little cable guide from the motor side instead of threading the E3D's wires through.  I also need to trim the length of them!

It uses a combination of a few designs, which I will outline when I get to uploading it to thingiverse.  (Big thanks to Lawsy though for letting me chop up his designs)  I only lack redesigning the top filament guide piece so that it matches the new setup.  I also need to print the active cooling fan hood and attach it, but that should be pretty straightforward.  Let me know what you think/if you want to make it!  (Also if it looks like it won't work/will melt)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/wmfootball75/PhotoJan28104552PM.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/wmfootball75/PhotoJan28104421PM.jpg

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That looks pretty amazing. If you really want to get fancy with the top filament guide, you could do a version with a place to mount one of the microswitches that has a roller on the end of the lever for detecting filament out :-).

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oh my god I love it! Buying an E3D for my SD2 friday...any stl for this?

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Great work!  I'm currently designing my own modified extruder for a standard (or jhead) hotend, and I like the approach you've taken for locking the hotend in place.

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Nice!!!!

Does it come in transparent red with led lights built in wink

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AZERATE wrote:

oh my god I love it! Buying an E3D for my SD2 friday...any stl for this?

I believe that it should work just the same for the SD2, but I'm not completely sure.

ronsii wrote:

Nice!!!!

Does it come in transparent red with led lights built in wink

That would look excellent!  Go for it!


Here are a few pictures of the final assembly.  I am a bit busy right now, but I will get around to posting this to thingiverse properly and printing the fan to go with it.  Thanks for all of the great feedback!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/wmfootball75/e3dnew1.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/wmfootball75/e3dnew2.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/wmfootball75/e3dnew3.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/wmfootball75/e3dnew4.png

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Awesome! Reminds me a little bit of the felix design. [which is a good thing]


I can't exactly tell what the 40mm fan on the side is doing, though. I guess it's cooling from the side. Have you looked into maybe a single quality 40mm fan diverting 30% of its air to the part piece and 70% to cooling the e3d? There's a nice part on thingiverse like that, I am using it right now. But it doesn't have the hotswappable hinge mashup part.

8 (edited by Boz 2014-01-30 17:39:13)

Re: E3D Hotend mount for SD3 with active cooling fan (stock carriages)

The felix design here was chopped up in the making of this model.  I will make sure to attribute the correct model and whatnot when I upload it to thingiverse.

The little 30mm fan is the one that comes with the E3D and has a vent in place to allow for it to cool the heat sink.  I kinda heavy-handedly added that part unforunately, and I'm looking at ways to incorporate it more elegantly.

I am also not sure about using the one fan to cool both because you do not always need active cooling on your printed parts, but you do need to keep the heat sink as cool as possible so that it won't melt the extruder mount.

I will continue to work on redesigning this so that it is a little more user-friendly and practical, but in the mean time this design should work just fine.

Edit:  This layout would probably work better, and looks a little more even.  I would have to work out the details on going back and redoing several design components.  (I wish TinkerCAD had a hierarchy-based work timeline like Solidworks does!)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/wmfootball75/e3dnew5.png

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Boz wrote:

The felix design here was chopped up in the making of this model.  I will make sure to attribute the correct model and whatnot when I upload it to thingiverse.

The little 30mm fan is the one that comes with the E3D and has a vent in place to allow for it to cool the heat sink.  I kinda heavy-handedly added that part unforunately, and I'm looking at ways to incorporate it more elegantly.

I am also not sure about using the one fan to cool both because you do not always need active cooling on your printed parts, but you do need to keep the heat sink as cool as possible so that it won't melt the extruder mount.

I will continue to work on redesigning this so that it is a little more user-friendly and practical, but in the mean time this design should work just fine.

This might help... I recently upgraded to a Rumba board and by accident plugged my E3D fan in to the wrong pin.  I then printed for over two hours with no fan running at all.  No problem for the E3D so It probably requires much less air movement then you would think.

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ooohhhhh pretty!

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that is really cool! i hope someday i can design half that good!

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Check Solidoodle's new extruder, more simple and easy to use,
I like it.

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AOYOU3D wrote:

Check Solidoodle's new extruder, more simple and easy to use,
I like it.

Haven't seen it...do you have a link?

Printit Mason and Printit Horizon printers
Multiple SD2s- Bulldog XL, E3D v5/v6/Lite6, Volcano, Hobb Goblin, Titan, .9 motor, Lawsy carriages, direct Y drive, fishing line...the list goes on
Filawinder and Filastruder #1870.....worth every penny!

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To "Solidoodle discussion"-"Solidoodle at CES"

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Very Nice!!

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I am a bit wary of the fan ou the front, as one issue I had with a front mounted hot end fan (on the original hot end) was that it kept knocking the door of the enclosure open when printing parts at the front of the printer.  Swapped to E3D (after snapping hot end trying to disassemble) and am still trying to get a hot end fan sorted. 

Very much liking this design so far.  I have one which uses a much smaller fan mounted under carriage / behind hot end, but havent mounted yet (you know how it is).

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jabba400 wrote:

I am a bit wary of the fan ou the front, as one issue I had with a front mounted hot end fan (on the original hot end) was that it kept knocking the door of the enclosure open when printing parts at the front of the printer.

That is a concern of mine too.  I had the same issue with my previous enclosure and still do with my new one.  I will probably leave this design as is for now with the qualifier that you do not need to move your printhead too far forward if you have an enclosure on your printer.  In the future, I'd like to do a design overhaul and move the fan to one side so that you can also see the nozzle better when starting a print.

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Just a quick announcement, but I have uploaded this design to thingiverse.  I finally had time to print the fan mount last night, and it looks like everything works quite well.  Please let me know if anyone has any questions/suggestions or if you happened to make it.  Thanks!

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:252918

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I printed the parts and have had some issues mounting it. The 4-40 bolts seem like they need to be 50mm long, but of course the stock bolts are far longer.
Can you please share the sizes and lengths you used? Also, was it any problem tossing the E3D into the bottom? I had to shave down with a razor pen...still tight.

Printit Mason and Printit Horizon printers
Multiple SD2s- Bulldog XL, E3D v5/v6/Lite6, Volcano, Hobb Goblin, Titan, .9 motor, Lawsy carriages, direct Y drive, fishing line...the list goes on
Filawinder and Filastruder #1870.....worth every penny!

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AZERATE wrote:

I printed the parts and have had some issues mounting it. The 4-40 bolts seem like they need to be 50mm long, but of course the stock bolts are far longer.
Can you please share the sizes and lengths you used? Also, was it any problem tossing the E3D into the bottom? I had to shave down with a razor pen...still tight.

I forgot to mention that in the instructions, but due to the fact that the clearances are pretty tight (in terms of where the through holes can be and not interfere with each other), you will need to shorten the very long bolts that connect the parts to the carriages by using two nuts on each bolt.  I know that this is not optimal, but it was the best way to keep these screw heads from interfering with the installation of the hotend.

On the subject of fit: I had to go through several iterations of printing to get the fit just right, and I made it such that there are tolerances that allow for slight variations in printing calibrations (by making the holes slightly larger than they need to be).  Because of this, your printer needs to be calibrated for accurate parts in order to make sure that it fits correctly.  Also, no finishing techniques can be done (like acetone treatment), as they will affect the overall size of the fits.  I think that you acetone finished your print, which in my experience will make it lose features and changes the overall size a bit.  It's almost an exact fit, so any changes will make it not work unfortunately.

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Boz wrote:

  Also, no finishing techniques can be done (like acetone treatment), as they will affect the overall size of the fits.  I think that you acetone finished your print, which in my experience will make it lose features and changes the overall size a bit.  It's almost an exact fit, so any changes will make it not work unfortunately.

Well that sucks...I wanted it to be all purty! Oh well. At least I like printing, so I will just make another. Since I tend to stockpile old parts and print replacements for replacements (in case an ill-performing part has me dead in the water), I will have to roam the land for a few 4-40 bolts in that length. I can't wait to actively use your design, but at lease the mk5 is treating me well smile

One good question for fitting: How many perimeters did you print it with?

Printit Mason and Printit Horizon printers
Multiple SD2s- Bulldog XL, E3D v5/v6/Lite6, Volcano, Hobb Goblin, Titan, .9 motor, Lawsy carriages, direct Y drive, fishing line...the list goes on
Filawinder and Filastruder #1870.....worth every penny!

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Sorry about that!  I'm glad that someone is making something that I designed, and I'll do what I can to help you get it to work.  You should be able to slap on some nuts onto the existing long bots to "trim" the length without having to buy a new pair.  That's what i did with mine.  Here's what I mean: (The two dark gray items are nuts that lock each other from moving and the bolt just sticks out harmlessly in the back where you can't see it)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/wmfootball75/boltdiagram.png

Please let me know if you have any recommendations on how to improve it!  Thanks man.

23 (edited by Boz 2014-02-28 21:34:52)

Re: E3D Hotend mount for SD3 with active cooling fan (stock carriages)

Quick Update:  I've added a filament dust filter compatible filament guide to this design.  I will print this out this afternoon and give it a shot.  It should work fine though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/wmfootball75/Filter2.png

Edit:  If you plan on making the bottom part, wait.  I am doing some major design overhauls to it and will post them soon.

24 (edited by Boz 2014-03-14 15:02:09)

Re: E3D Hotend mount for SD3 with active cooling fan (stock carriages)

The filament guide did not work too well for me (the sponge holder snapped), so I've put that idea on the shelf for now.  I do, though, have Rev. B of my design ready to go.  I will try to upload it tomorrow if anyone is looking to make it.

I'm hoping to migrate the fan shroud to the back on the next revision, but I will say that this fan shroud works better than any I've tried before.  I'll post some pictures of some things I make with it soon.  (Busy upgrading my heat bed)  Thanks!

Edit:  I've posted it to thingiverse.  Here you go! http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:271506

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/wmfootball75/PhotoMar1371607PM.jpg

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25 (edited by Boz 2014-09-05 02:22:10)

Re: E3D Hotend mount for SD3 with active cooling fan (stock carriages)

Just a small update.  I've been experimenting with flexible filament, and I wanted my extruder to work with it without issues.  I had to print several iterations of this before I got it right, but I think that it works well now.  I'm still having issues where the idler bearing is as tight as possible, but it is squishing the filament against the drive gear and ultimately slipping on the idler bearing.  This causes it to then slip on the drive gear and not extrude.  I'm not sure if it is a design flaw on my part, or that I have improper settings for temperatures and extrusion speed.

Anyway, here is a preview of the files.  I will upload it to thingiverse in the next day or so.  Thanks.

P.S.  I just added some extra clearance on the idler bearing.  I might have gone a bit overboard.  I will print a copy of this soon, but for now my print with less clearance with xacto knife clearance added will work for now.

http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&item=6223&download=0

http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&item=6224&download=0

I added a fit for a brass threaded insert on one part of it.  I will remove that feature in the published version, because it is not necessary for this to work.  I will include that version if anyone has inserts from Mcmaster (which I recommend).

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