1 (edited by sigiel 2016-01-11 16:35:31)

Topic: Edv6 feedback and problem

hi a quick update,

I still have some  problem with the EDv6 upgrade,


To resume the situation

when I upgraded to EDv6 I had 3 problems that surfaced

1- the bed is so slow now to reach 80°c,  way more slow than before.  and it doesn't pass 80. Before the upgrade it could go up to 120 easy (probably more but never tried) and that was literally and immediately  after flashing the firmware with new termistor data.

2- the Edv6 clog all the time now,  on this=  I did break the original termistor, and replaced with a NTC100K.
so I rule that out till I  have a new one, I'm gonna go with the "V6 PT100 Total Upgrade Kit"  it's easier and cheaper that asking for them to assemble the original V6 one.

The fact that the termistor is not assembled is a pain, and seriously ridiculously hard to assemble.  Anyway till I have the P100 termistor I'm gonna ignore this problem.

3 the constant blob that appear when plastique flow....

I found out after a very deep resarched that it was because the V6 is so precise that the stepper need to be upgraded and the hobb goblin too.

Seriously .... this isn't clearly documented, to find that you have to make such drastic change afterward, is a bit  misleading...  and quite  a lot more costly.


Now for resolving the first one

I did re flash the original firmware, and still the bed is not going above 80° and take such a longtime to get there...

Logically it must be one of the 4 possibility

1-  The bed heat resistance is broken (how do I find out?)

2- The motherboard is broken (how do i test it ?) I have no electric knowledge what so ever. and the many tutorial are very confusing for me (that and English is not my native tongue)

3-  Something in the firmware was changed ? but I flashed, re flashed then flashed some more while doing many testing, even reinstalled windows driver, on several computer...

4-  The power supply is broken, at the moment I have a "reprap compatible 400w 12v one" from china.
the original was broken a long time ago.

Now I have many PC ATX power  supply around, but I don't know how to rig one, and I'm electrically challenged...I have seen post about them but for me the instruction are a tiny bit confusing. can any one help me on that one too ?

I'm loosing it... my Solidoodle 3 was working very well before the upgrade, what was advertised as a simple upgrade,  fuck it up,
I'm not blaming E3d much, but still a tiny bit for misleading

For example,I have change the carriage and the extruder with lawsy upgrade ( that was kinda a big undertaking completely reassembling the printer from the ground up and I managed it .)

I have also build the DLP muve 1.1 to 1.5 from scratch too, as well as a micro delta. so I'm not totally a noob, and I CAN follow instructions.

What rage me is that It's a very good printer, and now it's getting dust ... because of that upgrade that was advertised as easy.

that being said, I recognize that the EDv6 is a superior product, the small sample that I have printed in PLA before getting the termistor broken and the clog where clearly impressive even with the blob artifact. The flow of plastic is so much fluid and precise...

Please can someone help me?

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Re: Edv6 feedback and problem

An E3d V6 doesn't require a Hobb Goblin or a different motor.  Will those things help? Yes but they are not needed.
One thing at a time, let's talk about your bed heater first.
With the extruder heat turned off, how does the bed heater perform?

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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Re: Edv6 feedback and problem

The same...I have tested in repetier , and also by disconnecting it.

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Re: Edv6 feedback and problem

Can you post a screenshot of your configuration.h?
Also what version firmware are you working with?

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

5 (edited by sigiel 2016-01-12 12:07:30)

Re: Edv6 feedback and problem

I have official SD3 firmware from Solidoodle. (printboard Rev E)

FIRMWARE_NAME:Marlin V1; Sprinter/grbl Mashup for Printboard FIRMWARE_URL:HTTP://www.solidoodle.com/how-to-update-firmware/ PROTOCOL_VERSION:1.0 MACHINE_TYPE:Solidoodle_3 EXTRUDER_COUNT:1

how do I extract the configuration.h

I can post the one from the the archive from solidoodle... it should be the same. but i don't know how to dump the one from the board.

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Re: Edv6 feedback and problem

i am running an E3D v6 on one of my SD4s with the stock extruder motor and gear and have no problems with it (should be the same gear & motor you have) - it does require a bit of fine tuning however (ie: calibration)

SD4 #1 & #2 - Lawsy carriages, E3D v6, Rumba controller board, mirror bed plate, X motor fan, upgraded PSU & Mica bed heater
SD4 #3 - in the works ~ Folgertech FT-5, rev 1
Printit Industries Beta Tester - Horizon H1

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Re: Edv6 feedback and problem

you most likely have a bad connection on you bed heater that is limiting current.  Check around the plugs for burns or anything loose.
What extruder temps are you using with what material?

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

8 (edited by sigiel 2016-01-12 18:23:00)

Re: Edv6 feedback and problem

No burn, nothing loose ( I have check after your post).

I use ABS 215°c or PLA 195°c as usual.

how can I post my conf.h ? can someone send me to the correct guide or resources?

thanks.

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Re: Edv6 feedback and problem

If you don't know how to post the configuration.h, it calls into question how you updated the firmware. 

Did you use a pre-configured firmware image, or did you modify the configuration.h file yourself, then uploaded the modifications to your board.

I think you need to tells us the exact steps you took to update your firmware, because most of your problems seem to come from there.

To print or, 3D print, that is the question...
SD3 printer w/too many mods,  Printrbot Simple Maker Ed.,  FormLabs Form 1+
AnyCubic Photon, Shining 3D EinScan-S & Atlas 3D scanners...
...and too much time on my hands.

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Re: Edv6 feedback and problem

215 seems really cold for ABS.  Should be 230-240 with the V6.
There is no way to pull the configuration.h from the board.  You can post a screenshot of the one you installed. 
https://github.com/ozadr1an/Solidoodle- … in_v1_beta
This would be the preferred version for your machine.  Also as you seem to no longer be using the supplied thermistor on the E3d you'll need to verify temp readings compared to actual temps.
As for the bed heat, if you've changed that thermistor as well you'll need to use a different thermistor table in configuration.h and verify the accuracy of that as well.

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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Re: Edv6 feedback and problem

You can copy your entire configuration.h and paste it here. But before you do, please read here on how to enter codes onto the forum. This way, we can scroll through your entire configuration.h without flooding the page.

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12 (edited by sigiel 2016-01-13 12:27:42)

Re: Edv6 feedback and problem

pirvan wrote:

If you don't know how to post the configuration.h, it calls into question how you updated the firmware. 

Did you use a pre-configured firmware image, or did you modify the configuration.h file yourself, then uploaded the modifications to your board.

I think you need to tells us the exact steps you took to update your firmware, because most of your problems seem to come from there.


Please re read my post.

I did not say,  That I did not know how to upload the firmware. I have said that I did not know how to DUMP the firmware from the motherboard,  then UPLOAD it.

I have a degree in computer tech, as a professional if want to trouble shot drivers program and stuff , posting drivers that are not loaded into the system seem to me completely useless.

I have been corrected,  in that regard by Wardjr , as  there is no way to get the actual firmware from the board, so the next best thing is to provide the source.

Then I did follow ED6 setup instruction.

From there web site to this one ... http://www.soliwiki.com/E3D_extruder

Then because it wasn't working,  I re flashed back the original firmware, that Solidoodle SAV kindly email me.

Now with the link provided above I'm gonna test this firmware as this was definitely not the one I used. and will tell you the result.

I did not change the bed thermistor.

My Infra red thermometer can't read the temperature from the hot end even if I put some black marker on it. (it's a very cheap one). but I'm not too worried about it; as I have said I'm gonna use the P100 kit, and will go from there.

what I want is to get the bed working as before  and until I get the P100 I will use stock extruder with stock thermistor...

Thanks.

Ps is it better to get another V6 if I want to sawp PLA and ABS ?
in a dual extruder is it possible to have both as the same time ?

I completely forgotten the fact that effectively the V6 was more accurate as temperature reading was, so yes indeed I don't have to compensate the usual 15°c from stock reading.

and thank you again for taking time to help me.

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Re: Edv6 feedback and problem

There is no reason you couldn't run both PLA and ABS.

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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Re: Edv6 feedback and problem

so an update and a rant...

my clog was due to the ptfe not being proprely placed...

I still havnt found the bed temp issus, but I manage with pla.

wardjr

An E3d V6 doesn't require a Hobb Goblin or a different motor

Actually it does... read this post strait from the E3d forum

http://forum.e3d-online.com/index.php?t … trude.326/

And I'm a tiny bit pissed off because of it. but I will survive and will probably buy another one for my microdelta.
but I think they should warn.

Now can somebody help me to source the correct stepper, that the only thing I have hard time to find.

Will I need to change things in the firmware?

Thank you.

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Re: Edv6 feedback and problem

You must have read that wrong. Elmoret was not explaining everything that needs to be done, he was giving a list of solutions. The combination of which would obliterate moire.
I have the Hobb Goblin and v6 on 3 machines which I use every day:
HG1) Hobb Goblin, .9 motor, DRV8825 (1/32 driver)
HG2) Hobb Goblin, 1.8 motor, DRV8825 (1/32 driver)
HG3) Hobb Goblin, 1.8 motor, A4988 (1/16 driver)

If you would prefer a .9 motor, we sell them here and we are stateside. While this motor helps no matter which gear you have, and I do recommend it as an E motor, it is not mandatory for the Goblin upgrade.

Printit Mason and Printit Horizon printers
Multiple SD2s- Bulldog XL, E3D v5/v6/Lite6, Volcano, Hobb Goblin, Titan, .9 motor, Lawsy carriages, direct Y drive, fishing line...the list goes on
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16 (edited by sigiel 2016-03-22 02:35:21)

Re: Edv6 feedback and problem

hi I did understand the post correctly.

My point is that

The hot end do not work out of the box (so to speak) without one of those 'solution'=hidden nescessary cost.
at least witha stock sd3.

Again, I do like the product, I just don't like to be forced to buy something else to make it work...

anyway, I'm glad that there is a solution, and that the problem is essentialy that the hotend is of such quality that under performing part (stock sd3) is the curlpit... they are definetly worse problem to have.

anyway.

What do you think is the better solution? (cheapest)

goblin?
driver?
stepper?

Thank you (for the link too)

ps putting a 17 instead of the 14 is safe for the printboard? would  I need to make firmware change?

17 (edited by AZERATE 2016-03-22 03:51:30)

Re: Edv6 feedback and problem

You are most certainly welcome. We are here to help smile
Why are you looking at changing the Nema 14 motor? If it has failed, we offer replacements as well  . Here is our full (short) motor catalog http://www.printitindustries.com/collections/motors. Either way, changing the motor should only be an EEPROM change, though Nema 17s typically weight more than the 14.

Goblin, DRV8825, and .9 are the bee's knees. That is my personal go to setup....and I own a Bulldog XL.
We offer all 3 for convenience.
http://www.printitindustries.com/collec … hm15-0904s
http://www.printitindustries.com/collec … obb-goblin
http://www.printitindustries.com/collec … er-drivers

Infomercial over wink

Printit Mason and Printit Horizon printers
Multiple SD2s- Bulldog XL, E3D v5/v6/Lite6, Volcano, Hobb Goblin, Titan, .9 motor, Lawsy carriages, direct Y drive, fishing line...the list goes on
Filawinder and Filastruder #1870.....worth every penny!