1 Topic by RandomloserDK (edited by RandomloserDK 2015-05-04 20:41:39)

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Topic: SD4+E3Dv6=Printer stopped due to errors.

So I've installed the E3D, modified and updated the firmware.
I've changed these lines:
#define SOLIDOODLE_VERSION 3
#define MOTHERBOARD 81
#define TEMP_SENSOR_0 5 // (I've also tried: 6)
#define HEATER_0_MAXTEMP 350
#define BED_MAXTEMP 110

I'm using the stock SD4 power supply, which can deliver 12,5A @ 12V so 150W total.

But every time I try to start a print, I get this message(Printer stopped due to errors.) in the log.
The error is logged, right after the hot end and heat bed, have reached there defined temperature(210C and 100C)
I can operate the printer manually in repetier-host, like the movements, extruder, hot end and heat bed.

The thermister is is reporting a stable temperature(Only minor fluctuations), but I'm uncertain the temperature reading is correct.
When I reach 220C, I can hardly extrude the filament by hand, and it should be flowing easily.
But if I bump the temperature to 300C it starts flowing like it should.
When I installed the thermister, I made sure it was all the way inside(Reaching the bottom).

I read about others with this problem, but they where all centered around a loose thermister(Bad connection).
But I don't think this is the problem here, as the error occurs before theres any movement(I've tried moving the wires by hand).

I don't know what to do now... I'm lost...

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Re: SD4+E3Dv6=Printer stopped due to errors.

Probably not your problem but I noticed your bed Max is set to 110.  Is it possible that it is overshooting 100 and hitting max temp at 110?
The E3d should extrude ABS in the range of 230-245.
Your extruder max temp should be no more than 300.  At that temp the thermistor will begin to break down.  It is possible you've damaged it but unlikely.

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3 Reply by RandomloserDK (edited by RandomloserDK 2015-05-03 22:32:56)

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Re: SD4+E3Dv6=Printer stopped due to errors.

wardjr wrote:

Probably not your problem but I noticed your bed Max is set to 110.  Is it possible that it is overshooting 100 and hitting max temp at 110?

It also happened when I set the heat bed to 60C.

wardjr wrote:

The E3d should extrude ABS in the range of 230-245.
Your extruder max temp should be no more than 300.  At that temp the thermistor will begin to break down.  It is possible you've damaged it but unlikely.

Right, I forget about that part, so using 220C on the old hotend, would have landed me in the 250C range.
I'll try heating it up to 230-245C, and see if it will extrude.

That just leaves me with the error message.

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Re: SD4+E3Dv6=Printer stopped due to errors.

Focus on your connections it is usually something very simple.
If ABS doesn't extrude at a reported temp of 245 then you have something wrong with your thermistor.

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Re: SD4+E3Dv6=Printer stopped due to errors.

Probably making electrical contact with the heater block. How far down did you seat the thermistor leg tubing? It needs to be as close to the head of the thermostor as possible.

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Re: SD4+E3Dv6=Printer stopped due to errors.

I put the tubing as close to the "head" as possible.

Edit: It's extruding fine on 245C.

Edit2: When I try to print using Octoprint, I get this message after it's warm up:
Unexpected error while reading serial port: SerialException: 'device reports readiness to read but returned no data (device disconnected or multiple access on port?)' @ comm.py:_readline:987
Changing monitoring state from 'Printing' to 'Error: SerialException: 'de...'
Connection closed, closing down monitor

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Re: SD4+E3Dv6=Printer stopped due to errors.

If you've heated to 300C you've likely damaged the thermistor. It will read improperly and may result in the hotend being hotter than you think it is.

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Re: SD4+E3Dv6=Printer stopped due to errors.

elmoret wrote:

If you've heated to 300C you've likely damaged the thermistor. It will read improperly and may result in the hotend being hotter than you think it is.

The thermistor is working fine.
It extruded fine at 245C, I just forgot the old hotend was off by about 30C, so the 220C was not enough.

Aren't there a way to receive better error messages?

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Re: SD4+E3Dv6=Printer stopped due to errors.

I doubt that. Those thermistors are irreversibly damaged at even a few degrees over 300C. If it overshot at all on the way to 300C, then it is now reading inaccurately.

That max temp of 350 is a recipe for disaster too.

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Re: SD4+E3Dv6=Printer stopped due to errors.

The error was also there before I took it to 300C.

If I use the stock thermistors, what type do I need to select in the firmware?

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Re: SD4+E3Dv6=Printer stopped due to errors.

I'm not discussing your error, I'm discussing a potentially hazardous condition you've created by taking your thermistor beyond its rated limits.

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Re: SD4+E3Dv6=Printer stopped due to errors.

elmoret wrote:

I'm not discussing your error, I'm discussing a potentially hazardous condition you've created by taking your thermistor beyond its rated limits.

Didn't think about that, I'll order a replacement.
In the meantime I would like to use the stock SD4 thermistor, as I know it working(And safe).
But what type do I select in the firmware?

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Re: SD4+E3Dv6=Printer stopped due to errors.

You have an E3d you should use the thermistor it was designed for.  They are cheap and have a life span so order a few as spares.  You then set it to table 5 in configuration.h with a max temp of 290.  That is all you will need for proper assembly and if you plan on using materials that require hotter you will need to switch to a thermocouple like this one.  http://www.filastruder.com/collections/ … welded-tip

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Re: SD4+E3Dv6=Printer stopped due to errors.

Okay, I got it working.
It was the wrong firmware version I was using, and switching to this https://github.com/ozadr1an/Solidoodle- … in_v1_beta fixed the problem.

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Re: SD4+E3Dv6=Printer stopped due to errors.

Hey Random,

Have you had any issues with the SD4 + E3Dv6? You did the E3D v6 upgrade while keeping the stock power supply and the stock board.
I am in the process of doing the same so I want to ask if you have seen any power supply issues, since the E3Dv6 hotend draws more current than the stock hotend.
From what I read on this forum, I see that most people that do the E3D v6 upgrade, also upgrade the power supply. I don't think this is necessary, but some confirmation would be nice!

Thanks!

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Re: SD4+E3Dv6=Printer stopped due to errors.

You should have no issues using the stock PSU if it is healthy and your V6 has the 25watt heater (blue wires).  Most of us that upgraded the PSU did so back when only the 40 watt (red wires) heater was available.  That along with faulty and/or poor PSU's made the upgrade a necessity.
That being said your printer will be much happier with more power.  For less than $30 the SuperNight PSU has proven to be a worthy upgrade.

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Re: SD4+E3Dv6=Printer stopped due to errors.

capibara wrote:

Hey Random,

Have you had any issues with the SD4 + E3Dv6? You did the E3D v6 upgrade while keeping the stock power supply and the stock board.
I am in the process of doing the same so I want to ask if you have seen any power supply issues, since the E3Dv6 hotend draws more current than the stock hotend.
From what I read on this forum, I see that most people that do the E3D v6 upgrade, also upgrade the power supply. I don't think this is necessary, but some confirmation would be nice!

Thanks!

All problems was all firmware related.

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Re: SD4+E3Dv6=Printer stopped due to errors.

Thanks wardjr!

What happens if using the stock power supply with the 40W (red) heater cartridge? It will require full current of 3.33 amps vs 2.08 amps for the 25W heater. The power supply can't supply the extra 1.25 amps needed? It seems that upgrading the header connector on the board to one that can handle 4 amps would do it, since the mosfet can handle the extra current.

Also, do you know how much current/power does the stock bed heater uses for an SD4?

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Re: SD4+E3Dv6=Printer stopped due to errors.

If I recall about 4-5 amps.
It's not that the PSU can't handle it assuming it operates at its rated capacity.  There's the problem and although it will work and I have a local friend that ran one exactly that way.  That PSU is maxed out and tends to need constant repair.  The wires going into the PSU routinely need to be soldered.  The LED's Flicker and VREF's tend to be finicky to adjust.  We replaced to a bigger PSU and all problems went away.

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Re: SD4+E3Dv6=Printer stopped due to errors.

Thanks for the info, wardjr!

I guess I will eventually upgrade the board and the power supply. For now, I will stay with the 25W heater cartridge for the E3D v6.

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