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Topic: Mk5 Extruder: New and Improved!

Hi all,

I've spent the last couple of days refining this design to the point where I am happy with it. The development of this extruder is mainly driven by the comments and feedback of the community here, so keep them coming.

The mk4 extruder is by far my most popular design on Thingiverse, so I hope that this one can live up to it as a sequel.

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:111213

Improvements:

  • Locking arm to prevent extruder wobble

  • New and improved stronger tension arm

  • New accessory mounting system which is cleaner and stronger

  • Redesigned and streamlined filament guide to prevent filament accidentally escaping and allowing easier access for filament drive cleaning

  • Improved built in support section for largest part for cleaner printing

  • Added boss for left hand limit screw (to suit my replacement carriages)

  • Revised mounting holes to allow greater compatibility with hot ends (should be compatible with E3D all metal hot end)

Instructions:

http://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/52/71/30/1a/db/01_parts_preview_featured.jpg

1. Print all parts at high infill for strength. No support is necessary. Dimensions are in mm.

http://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/f0/5e/ba/f1/cf/02_removesupport_display_large.jpg

2. Use a thin, sharp knife to remove the built in support from the body piece. It should come off fairly easily and leave behind a reasonably clean surface.

http://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/69/89/7d/87/ed/03_lockingarm_preview_featured.jpg

3. The locking arm should be a snug fit and is held in place by a M3 x 10mm bolt. The ease in which the locking arm rotates is dictated by the tension of the M3 bolt.

http://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/18/16/dd/0e/1b/04_tensionarm_preview_featured.jpg

4. Move the bearing, washers and bolts over to the new tension arm. I prefer one washer at the front of the bearing and three at the back for better alignment. A M3 x 16mm bolt is a perfect length to secure the tension arm to the body.

http://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/c9/93/46/43/d7/05_carriagemount_preview_featured.jpg

5. Use the original M3 bolts to secure the body to the carriage. At this stage is it a good idea to insert the hot end. Mine is super snug and wobble free just by closing the locking arm.

http://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/2c/1c/e0/09/05/06_extrudermount_preview_featured.jpg

6. Attach the extruder stepper motor to the assembly using more M3 bolts. The new filament guide piece (top piece) is modified to make it more compact and allow easier cleaning of the filament gear. On the left side a M3 x10mm or similar bolt is needed to secure it. At this stage it is a good idea to insert M3 bolt(s) underneath the body piece to hit the end stop(s).

http://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/8e/6a/56/37/15/07_complete_display_large.jpg

7. The extruder is complete at this stage but if you are paranoid about the locking arm coming loose, you may like to clip a blank accessory piece in from above to hold it closed. You may need to swing the tension arm all the way down to the right to provide temporary clearance. This blank piece is actually intended for fan shrouds and other accessories to be glued onto.

Happy printing!

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Re: Mk5 Extruder: New and Improved!

looks awesome... just as I was putting the finishing touches on my own extruder sad lol... this is much better

I like the beefy tension arm and the accessory mount. Using cap screws to hold everything to the x-carriage will be a nice change of pace, I guess I could have done that before... yea, i'm slow

SD3 w/ mods:
Glass bed with QU-BD heat pad upgrade, threadless ballscrew w/ 8mm smooth rod, spectra line belt replacement, lawsy MK5 extruder, Lawsy replacement carriage, E3D hotend, Ramps 1.4 w/ reprap discount controller, DRV8825 drivers, 12v 30A PS, Acrylic case, Overkill Y-idlers, Filament alarm, Extruder fan + more.

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Thanks!

Here is a preview of how the E3D hot end should fit:

http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&item=2562&download=0

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lawsy wrote:

Thanks!

Here is a preview of how the E3D hot end should fit:

http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&item=2562&download=0

+1 for the E3D. I can't wait to stop using this Printrbot hotend and reclaim my lost Z build area! (The printrbot hotend was nice just way too long)

SD3 w/ mods:
Glass bed with QU-BD heat pad upgrade, threadless ballscrew w/ 8mm smooth rod, spectra line belt replacement, lawsy MK5 extruder, Lawsy replacement carriage, E3D hotend, Ramps 1.4 w/ reprap discount controller, DRV8825 drivers, 12v 30A PS, Acrylic case, Overkill Y-idlers, Filament alarm, Extruder fan + more.

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@lawsy : Thank you, thank you, thank you ...

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I only wish it had a (easily removable) way of constraining the filament between the drive rollers and the top of the PEEK. Then, it'd be perfect.

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elmoret wrote:

I only wish it had a (easily removable) way of constraining the filament between the drive rollers and the top of the PEEK. Then, it'd be perfect.

That was my one problem with the MK4. I use a small piece of PTFE Tubing that just about touches the drive gear and the top of the Hotend

SD3 w/ mods:
Glass bed with QU-BD heat pad upgrade, threadless ballscrew w/ 8mm smooth rod, spectra line belt replacement, lawsy MK5 extruder, Lawsy replacement carriage, E3D hotend, Ramps 1.4 w/ reprap discount controller, DRV8825 drivers, 12v 30A PS, Acrylic case, Overkill Y-idlers, Filament alarm, Extruder fan + more.

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Nice stuff... will have to spit one of these out next day or so.

FYI, one thing on my list of 'i keep meaning to get to it' - model a 'jack-up plate' to mount on lawsy's carriage. This would simply be a 16mm plate to go under the stepper and lift the whole mechanism the same distance as the 'extra length' of the E3D - giving those of you with an SD2 your full build height back again at the expense of 16mm's extra stepper motor height which shouldn't matter in the slightest due to filament feed issues anyway....

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2n2r5 wrote:

That was my one problem with the MK4. I use a small piece of PTFE Tubing that just about touches the drive gear and the top of the Hotend

Do you have a picture of your fix that you could post?  I'm trying to understand the problem it addresses.

TIA,
Matt

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I always had the same problem too.  There is enough space between where the filament is gripped against the gear and the top of the hot end, that it can curve away and miss the opening for the hot end.  I usually had to guide the filament in with some tweezers.  This would be a problem more often when you are getting to the end of a spool and the filament has a tighter curve than it does at the beginning of the spool.

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mconsidine wrote:
2n2r5 wrote:

That was my one problem with the MK4. I use a small piece of PTFE Tubing that just about touches the drive gear and the top of the Hotend

Do you have a picture of your fix that you could post?  I'm trying to understand the problem it addresses.

TIA,
Matt

In the interest of keeping this topic clutter free of unrelated photos I just included a link to the photo instead.

http://2n2r5.com/pictures/printer/slop_ … sleeve.jpg

The problem that I had was that the drive gear wasn't 100% lined up with my hotend so every now I would come back to 10 -15 feet of ruined filament. The filament would kink when being pushed into the hotend. This would happen with mostly with more flexible filaments but none were safe. Anyways, this is a small 1cm section of Teflon tubing from my bowden project. It provides the added stability needed to keep the filament in line. I am hoping to not need it with this extruder because it is kind of a PITA.

SD3 w/ mods:
Glass bed with QU-BD heat pad upgrade, threadless ballscrew w/ 8mm smooth rod, spectra line belt replacement, lawsy MK5 extruder, Lawsy replacement carriage, E3D hotend, Ramps 1.4 w/ reprap discount controller, DRV8825 drivers, 12v 30A PS, Acrylic case, Overkill Y-idlers, Filament alarm, Extruder fan + more.

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Does the filiment line up better with the hot end? The biggest issue I had with the MK4 was that the standard hotend did not go in all the way and thus making the filiment bend to get to the hotend and causing issues.

Still all much better then the acrylic hot end

Tammy
Solidoodle 2
E3Dv6 Hotend, MK5 v6 version, Glass Bed, Anti Z backlash slop nut, SureStepr SD8825 1/32 Extruder Driver, makeshift breakaway plexiglass case; . L-Cheapo 3.8 Watt Laser Attachment w/Custom built enclosure
From Buffalo, NY, USA

13 (edited by adrian 2013-07-01 11:49:24)

Re: Mk5 Extruder: New and Improved!

Works awesome with the E3D and J-Head's Lawsy except one little tweak needed: The fan shroud of the E3D fouls on the End-Stop boss's... they need to move out towards the edges about 2-3mm to allow the shroud to tuck behind them... it looks worse on the photographed side as I managed to tuck the left hand side behind that boss.. so it protrudes a lot more now on the right... but I reckon 2-2.5mm's should do it...

http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&item=2565&download=0
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I will make that tweak and upload the updated base piece tomorrow morning. Thanks for the feedback.

Expecting my E3D hot ends any day now so you've got me excited.

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lawsy wrote:

I will make that tweak and upload the updated base piece tomorrow morning.

Done. End stop bosses moved out 3mm on each side.

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2n2r5 has modelled a variant for those having trouble fitting their hot ends in, which is specifically useful for the printrbot hot end. Please find it on the original Thingiverse link.

Thanks 2n2r5!

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I've just printed this out and it is a work of art. When my linear bearings arrive ill be putting it together. Thanks guys.

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Is your hot end a nice snug fit, or too loose or too tight?

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I haven't quite gotten that far yet, my printer is in a spot that is painful to work on. I'm waiting on my linear bearings to arrive for the gantry replacements and then ill be pulling it out and replacing it all. If I get impatient I'll probably replace the jigsaw this weekend anyway wink

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Modified end-stops work like a charm lawsy - all good now with the fan shroud smile

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Awesome as usual, Lawsy, congratulations! A question: did you print it in nylon or it just looks like? I have a nylon MkIV version that at the moment I keep as a spare, but I'm curious to try it.

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No nylon until new hot end comes.

The ones in the photos are printed in glow in the dark blue abs.

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The 2n2r5 revision fits my standard hotend perfectly. Should line up much better now

Tammy
Solidoodle 2
E3Dv6 Hotend, MK5 v6 version, Glass Bed, Anti Z backlash slop nut, SureStepr SD8825 1/32 Extruder Driver, makeshift breakaway plexiglass case; . L-Cheapo 3.8 Watt Laser Attachment w/Custom built enclosure
From Buffalo, NY, USA

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I don't see the difference in the two bodies, which one should be used for an E3D hotend?

E3D-v4 Hotend, MK5 carriage with round plastic wire conduit , 3/16" tempered glass,  Well nut, SureStepr SD8825 1/32 Extruder Driver, PowerEdge 2650 500W PS, QU-BD heated bed, circuit board fan, hinged plexiglass enclosure with plastic tray top. Other than that mostly stock SD3

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the standard one works with my E3D... (as in - not the derivative)