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Topic: SD Press - Mark II (Modifications Breakdown)

This is a list of mods I've done to my SD Press. Just for historical sake. This is a Gen. 1 Pre-order version of the Press.
(Just in case things have changed in future revisions of the Press.) This not a list of what to do, more of a list of what I've done.
This is more of a documentation then a guideline. Do your research. Even if you find a definitive guideline of what to do, Still do your homework. The more you learn about it- The better equipped you will be to handle issues if/when they arise.

TLDR;
Replaced the hotend with a E3D v6 (http://www.filastruder.com/products/all-metal-e3d-v6-hotend & http://www.soliforum.com/topic/9709/e3d … e-press/). Replaced the Heated Bed with a MK2B (http://www.amazon.com/Easy-RepRap-Solde … 00M9TQ18A/) and used a sheet of 468P (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007Y7D5NQ/) to stick the PEI (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0013HQ7B0/) directly to the MK2B.

Out of box experience.

When My press arrived. It the box was in good shape and the support packaging was very good. Leaps and bounds better than how my SD 2 arrived. Pull everything out of the box and plugged everything in. I glanced over the docs for the printer that came in the box and it said to use with 'SoliPrint'. My initial thought was I am never going to bound this to my desktop and I am going to use the same workflow I use for my SD2. RPi (B+) /w OctoPrint (devel branch). So I temp move my SD2's RPi to the press, Fire it up and detected and connected to it with no issues. And within seconds I was able to jog things around. One of the first things I've noticed was that X/Y needed to be homed before Z. Different, But fine. (Later one after diving into the FW seems like this was a normal behaviour with printers with a probes ment for detecting Z-Offsets). As for the first print. That was an adventure. If you have been following my other posts (Under the Kimono - http://www.soliforum.com/topic/9214/sd- … e-kimono/) pretty much everything that could be looss was loose. Every grub screw, chassis screws everything. Then the KOD (Knock of death). After I was able to correct all the QA issues. I was not able to shake the KOD.It would work for about 3 ~ 8 layers (or 25 mins - what ever came first) then simply stop extruding. It was repeatable. I've contacted support about it and the replies I got where like they didn't read what I was asking. At the end after a 2 week no response I got a automated email asking how would I rate their service. Then the upgrade started.

Hotend.

After many hours of screwing around with the stock hotend. I've determined this. After a couple layers would go down. The filament would deform and 'bow' inward and above the hotend inlet. Which now you have a square peg trying to get into a round hole and impedes the extruder stepper from doing its job. In my case, The KOD was due to the stepper missing steps attempting to push the filament into the hotend. After a while it then grinds the filament into a fine dust. Using a Fluke 62 Max (Yes it's a IR based and there are more accurate ways to do this.) I measured the heater block at 200C (idle - Yes I know this is not advised) then measured the 'Extruder heat sink' as soon as the thermistor detected it has reached '200C' and it (the extruder heat sink) was at 91.7C. After 5 mins it got to 110.8C. 10 mins 119.4C. At that point is where I sent my email to SD support.

This is where elmoret comes in. I found a post that was talking about just replacing the stock hotend to an E3D. Most of the folks who offered to do the CAD work did not have a Press. So I offered and v6 showed up at my doorstep in about 2 days.

The E3D v6 is a nice ass hotend. I've never used one before. I've been meaning to get one for my SD2 but didn't really have the finances or the time to pull that off. The E3D website has a very nice PDF with the exact dimensions of the hotend. And with that I was able to recreate it in Fusion 360 (ULT). The next step was to model up the "L" bracket for that mates the stepper to the gantry and the hotend. Now equipped with these models I've measured the exact length of the stock hotend (mostly where the tip is compared to the bottom of the gantry) and move the E3D there. Which places it front of the extruder stepper. The initial thought was to create a 'booster seat' for the stepper mount & the hotend. But then it collides into the lid. So the bowden config was born. Move the business end to line up exactly where the stock hotend is and designed around that.

After 17 modifications and 9 prototypes. It was ironed out and printing perfectly. The next step was to lower the hotend so it lined up with the extruder stepper for the non-bowden config. That worked out pretty well. I printed one out to see what it would look like and also confirm the new offset. Using those measurements I was able to make a booster seat for the probe. The issue was the tiny pegs that hold the microswitch in place (It's 100% a friction fit) So I needed to make something that fit into the existing mount (as if it was the microswitch) create the extension then create a receiving end to remate to the microswitch. My biggest hurdle was printing the tiny pegs. In which I scrapped that and used small nails cut to to length. Now with the increase length- The probe was not deploying straight. It varied from 1.2~2.6 degrees in either direction. This is mostly how the probe was designed to begin with. It's similar to how dog collar clips work. And the channel is rides has a bit of slop. So lately I've been working now to to replace the probe altogether. This is the main reason why the STL's for the mount is out but not the probe.

As for the prints with the v6-  They were awesome. Super clean. Super sharp. They look alot better then my SD2. When I have a chance I am definitely going to get one for it too.

Heat Bed.

After installing the hotend and noticing how quickly it gets to temp. The bed up-to-temp speed was more noticeable. The hotend would get from ambient (26.7C) to 250C in just under 4 mins (3:41 to be exact) and the stock heatbed took about 11 ~ 19 mins to get to temp. So I began looking around for options for a replacement. I found the MK2B PCB Heat bed on amazon for 19.99 (free shipping if you are a prime member). For me that was cheap enough to get and experiment with.

It arrive on a Saturday @ 1pm and I was printing on it @ 1:45pm. The version I got came with the thermistor and the MK2B has a hole in the center of the bed that touches the sheet of PEI I had on top of the stock head bed. I used some 468P cut to size to stick the sheet of PEI together. Now the get-to-temp times about just as fast as the hotend (4:27).

**Edited - > The orientation of the mk2b was with the LED facing downward so that the traces will make direct contact with the sheet of PEI.

In my case, I reused the existing connectors by decrimping and recrimping then heatshrinking it. If you are not savvy enough to do that. Get new connectors.

PEI.

Get it. It's awesome. If you don't know what it is- Google it. Where to get it? Amazon or Google it. I used a sheet that was 0.06" thick. Then used 1.0mm spacers to bring it up with where it needed to be.

The Press that should have been...

After all the work listed above I feel that this is the Press that should have been released. Granted understand that the parts in the stock unit were chosen was to keep the price down. And corners were cut. And no fucks where given in the QA Dept. (Every screw was loose and not one panel was straight on my machine.) But thats the woes of an early adopter. On the flip side of all that, The price of entry (I was able to get in on the $349 pre-order) made all of this 'upgrade' feasible. It was enclosed, the z-offset function and the print area was 200mm cubed. So I am a little torn. Absolutely the 'Plug-n-play' banner should be removed from the Press (and all their printers for that matter) I think thats sending a confusing message to the newcomers to the 3D Printing world. As they don't know what to expect and how to troubleshoot something that actually considered relatively normal.

Moar Powah...

The next set of items I have planned for the press is changing out the thermistor for a thermocouple, creating an in-line filament diameter sensor, further work on the ring of addressable LEDs and a power supply upgrade. (The stock PSU gets pretty damn hot and it started making a high pitched noise yesterday.) I should mention getting the PWM port to behave also.

SD Press - v1 (Pre-order) / RAMPs /w DRV8825's / Cyclops (25w) / Dual Bowden / Mk8 Gear / MK2b PCB Heat bed /w custom replacement Z / PEI Bed
SD2 / E3D v6 / Direct Drive / Mk8 Gear / RAMBo v1.3 / PEI Bed / Anti Z backlash mod / Ikea Expedite enclosure.
Both Driven by Octoprint (devel) via a RPi B+ / Neopixel status alerts / GPIO Controlled SSR / (SD2) 450 Watt PSU for remote power-up/shutdown.

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I would like to take this opportunity to personally thank you.  Not just for sharing but also for taking the time to tear the Press down and then document everything in such detail as you created solutions and improvements. 
You Sir, are a true asset to the community!

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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Thanks wardjr. If it wasn't for this forum (And the IRC channel). My SD2 would had been placed in the middle of the street- then set on fire. At that time I was new to the 3d printing game. After SEARCHING (http://www.soliforum.com/search/) and reading tips, tricks and suggestions from other experinced folks on this forum I was able to get the SD2 where it was reliable and printing absolutely perfect parts. That whole experience taught me patience of a zen master.

So this is my way of giving back.

SD Press - v1 (Pre-order) / RAMPs /w DRV8825's / Cyclops (25w) / Dual Bowden / Mk8 Gear / MK2b PCB Heat bed /w custom replacement Z / PEI Bed
SD2 / E3D v6 / Direct Drive / Mk8 Gear / RAMBo v1.3 / PEI Bed / Anti Z backlash mod / Ikea Expedite enclosure.
Both Driven by Octoprint (devel) via a RPi B+ / Neopixel status alerts / GPIO Controlled SSR / (SD2) 450 Watt PSU for remote power-up/shutdown.

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MacGyverX wrote:

Thanks wardjr. If it wasn't for this forum (And the IRC channel). My SD2 would had been placed in the middle of the street- then set on fire. At that time I was new to the 3d printing game. After SEARCHING (http://www.soliforum.com/search/) and reading tips, tricks and suggestions from other experinced folks on this forum I was able to get the SD2 where it was reliable and printing absolutely perfect parts. That whole experience taunt me patience of a zen master.

So this is my way of giving back.

I can sure relate to this entire statement wink

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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Is PLA working with the mods?

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trayracing wrote:

Is PLA working with the mods?

(I am guess you are referring to the E3D as the rest of the mods are more performance related)

If you mean does PLA extrudes with these mods. Yes.
If you mean do I get good results with it in this Mod. Yes. But in addition a extruder fan.

I exclusively print in ABS.

SD Press - v1 (Pre-order) / RAMPs /w DRV8825's / Cyclops (25w) / Dual Bowden / Mk8 Gear / MK2b PCB Heat bed /w custom replacement Z / PEI Bed
SD2 / E3D v6 / Direct Drive / Mk8 Gear / RAMBo v1.3 / PEI Bed / Anti Z backlash mod / Ikea Expedite enclosure.
Both Driven by Octoprint (devel) via a RPi B+ / Neopixel status alerts / GPIO Controlled SSR / (SD2) 450 Watt PSU for remote power-up/shutdown.

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I agree with wardjr. Thanks bunches for taking your time to do this.

The press is my first 3d-printer.. However, I didn't expect plug-n-play even if it was sold as such. I've worked, in the past, with selling, repairing and modifying industrial CNC-machines that cost around $1M.. They weren't plug-n-play either smile

I just hope one day to be able to contribute with something, instead of just leeching you all on info here.

Cheers

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On a side note, I ordered my first spool(s) of Ninja Flex. (Both 'normal' & semi) i'll run those thru both setups.
Obviously I'll report my findings.

SD Press - v1 (Pre-order) / RAMPs /w DRV8825's / Cyclops (25w) / Dual Bowden / Mk8 Gear / MK2b PCB Heat bed /w custom replacement Z / PEI Bed
SD2 / E3D v6 / Direct Drive / Mk8 Gear / RAMBo v1.3 / PEI Bed / Anti Z backlash mod / Ikea Expedite enclosure.
Both Driven by Octoprint (devel) via a RPi B+ / Neopixel status alerts / GPIO Controlled SSR / (SD2) 450 Watt PSU for remote power-up/shutdown.

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MacGyverX wrote:

On a side note, I ordered my first spool(s) of Ninja Flex. (Both 'normal' & semi) i'll run those thru both setups.
Obviously I'll report my findings.

I just got a roll of semi flex.  Are you thinking it will work with a Bowden setup?
I am asking because I just switched to the Cyclops on dual Bowdens.  I am planning on implementing a dual direct drive mount.  As you know that comes with the consequence of added mass.  I would love to just keep utilizing the Bowden setup but want to print flexable filament.

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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Awesome work!

To intall the heated bed, did you remove the metal bed and heater that were already installed, or did the MK2B sit on top of that?  Do the mounting holes line up?

What type of connector needed to be re-crimped?

I've been having pretty good luck with the stock hot-end, but that bed heater is so... sloooowwww.  PEI is out of stock at Amazon, and pricey at mcmaster-carr.  I assume I could still use the glass on top of the MK2B.

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Yeah the metal bed comes out completely. I got a sheet of 468MP (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007Y7D5NQ heat resistant double side adhesive (Wow, that link was 17.99 when I ordered it a couple weeks back) and stuck the PEI directly to the MK2B
(I've updated my original post with the link also) So they are 'Bonded' together. Then flip the four screws around so they act as tensioners. Kinda of ghetto. I'll design a much better solution (then test it) and release it.

As for the stock glass, Yes you can place that on top of the MK2B and use 468P to stick the two together. I know the glass was ment  so you can can slide it out. But to me that only effective if you have more than one sheet. Pull one out with the print then place a new one it.

The other solution is to get PEI Film. It looks like Kapton tape. But you'd to really (really) have to clean the glass before you apply it.

SD Press - v1 (Pre-order) / RAMPs /w DRV8825's / Cyclops (25w) / Dual Bowden / Mk8 Gear / MK2b PCB Heat bed /w custom replacement Z / PEI Bed
SD2 / E3D v6 / Direct Drive / Mk8 Gear / RAMBo v1.3 / PEI Bed / Anti Z backlash mod / Ikea Expedite enclosure.
Both Driven by Octoprint (devel) via a RPi B+ / Neopixel status alerts / GPIO Controlled SSR / (SD2) 450 Watt PSU for remote power-up/shutdown.

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wardjr, Thats the plan. I am sure it will work in the non-bowden for sure. But I am ready to make any changes necessary to get the bowden version to also work.

SD Press - v1 (Pre-order) / RAMPs /w DRV8825's / Cyclops (25w) / Dual Bowden / Mk8 Gear / MK2b PCB Heat bed /w custom replacement Z / PEI Bed
SD2 / E3D v6 / Direct Drive / Mk8 Gear / RAMBo v1.3 / PEI Bed / Anti Z backlash mod / Ikea Expedite enclosure.
Both Driven by Octoprint (devel) via a RPi B+ / Neopixel status alerts / GPIO Controlled SSR / (SD2) 450 Watt PSU for remote power-up/shutdown.

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Looking forward to seeing your results.

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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wardjr wrote:

I am asking because I just switched to the Cyclops on dual Bowdens.  I am planning on implementing a dual direct drive mount.  As you know that comes with the consequence of added mass.  I would love to just keep utilizing the Bowden setup but want to print flexable filament.

Have you considered doing a 1-Bowden, 1-direct drive?  Is this Cyclops on the Workbench or have you conjured up a way to dual extrude on the Press?

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worldburger wrote:
wardjr wrote:

I am asking because I just switched to the Cyclops on dual Bowdens.  I am planning on implementing a dual direct drive mount.  As you know that comes with the consequence of added mass.  I would love to just keep utilizing the Bowden setup but want to print flexable filament.

Have you considered doing a 1-Bowden, 1-direct drive?  Is this Cyclops on the Workbench or have you conjured up a way to dual extrude on the Press?

I have and probably will I have a couple highly modified SD3's

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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Interesting thought. Once I get the pin mapping figured out on the press. I could add an external driver for a second extruder stepper for the Chimera.

SD Press - v1 (Pre-order) / RAMPs /w DRV8825's / Cyclops (25w) / Dual Bowden / Mk8 Gear / MK2b PCB Heat bed /w custom replacement Z / PEI Bed
SD2 / E3D v6 / Direct Drive / Mk8 Gear / RAMBo v1.3 / PEI Bed / Anti Z backlash mod / Ikea Expedite enclosure.
Both Driven by Octoprint (devel) via a RPi B+ / Neopixel status alerts / GPIO Controlled SSR / (SD2) 450 Watt PSU for remote power-up/shutdown.

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does the MK2B PCB Heat bed heat more evenly across the surface?  i notice that the stock press heater element doesnt do that very well. even with my aluminum sheet/pei bed combo in place of the boro glass.

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Yes. The traces on the PCB cover the entire area (edge to edge). The stock heater is a 6.5x6.5 silicone heatpad that 'roughly' in the middle of the aluminum plate. The MK2B heats much, much faster and evenly. (more so since the Press' print area is completely enclosed)

SD Press - v1 (Pre-order) / RAMPs /w DRV8825's / Cyclops (25w) / Dual Bowden / Mk8 Gear / MK2b PCB Heat bed /w custom replacement Z / PEI Bed
SD2 / E3D v6 / Direct Drive / Mk8 Gear / RAMBo v1.3 / PEI Bed / Anti Z backlash mod / Ikea Expedite enclosure.
Both Driven by Octoprint (devel) via a RPi B+ / Neopixel status alerts / GPIO Controlled SSR / (SD2) 450 Watt PSU for remote power-up/shutdown.

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Thanks for the spool holder design... it rocks!

http://i.imgur.com/vjz5X3b.jpg

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You're welcome.

Ha. It's cool to see something I made out in the wild.

SD Press - v1 (Pre-order) / RAMPs /w DRV8825's / Cyclops (25w) / Dual Bowden / Mk8 Gear / MK2b PCB Heat bed /w custom replacement Z / PEI Bed
SD2 / E3D v6 / Direct Drive / Mk8 Gear / RAMBo v1.3 / PEI Bed / Anti Z backlash mod / Ikea Expedite enclosure.
Both Driven by Octoprint (devel) via a RPi B+ / Neopixel status alerts / GPIO Controlled SSR / (SD2) 450 Watt PSU for remote power-up/shutdown.

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Huh. Fun fact. The Ninjaflex spool is about the same size as the stock proprietary press spool.

SD Press - v1 (Pre-order) / RAMPs /w DRV8825's / Cyclops (25w) / Dual Bowden / Mk8 Gear / MK2b PCB Heat bed /w custom replacement Z / PEI Bed
SD2 / E3D v6 / Direct Drive / Mk8 Gear / RAMBo v1.3 / PEI Bed / Anti Z backlash mod / Ikea Expedite enclosure.
Both Driven by Octoprint (devel) via a RPi B+ / Neopixel status alerts / GPIO Controlled SSR / (SD2) 450 Watt PSU for remote power-up/shutdown.

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I've updated the bowden chassis to be more 'NinjaFlex Friendly' printing it now. The v1 chassis 'works' but after a while the filament works its way behind the hobbed gear. In v2 i decreased the space around the gear and move the inlet/outlet closer to the gear.

SD Press - v1 (Pre-order) / RAMPs /w DRV8825's / Cyclops (25w) / Dual Bowden / Mk8 Gear / MK2b PCB Heat bed /w custom replacement Z / PEI Bed
SD2 / E3D v6 / Direct Drive / Mk8 Gear / RAMBo v1.3 / PEI Bed / Anti Z backlash mod / Ikea Expedite enclosure.
Both Driven by Octoprint (devel) via a RPi B+ / Neopixel status alerts / GPIO Controlled SSR / (SD2) 450 Watt PSU for remote power-up/shutdown.

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Sooo, I just broke my glass plate. Guess I'll be buying some PEI!

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Fredjikrang wrote:

Sooo, I just broke my glass plate. Guess I'll be buying some PEI!

You can also use some regular hardware store glass. It works just as well and a cut piece is like $2

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Eh, I was thinking about going to PEI already, so I don't mind too much. It is a little annoying that I can't really do much for the next couple of days though.

Thanks for the info though!