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Topic: Different Nozzle Sizes experiment

I received the Nozzle Set smile
it has 2 each of 4 sizes, .2, .3, .4 & .5mm

The problem is that the sizes are Not marked on them or on the bags they are in. sad
Can't find anything in part numbers, on bags, that relates to size . sad

So, Looks like I'll be putting them under microscope do determine which is which.

I want to try the .3mm size first,
I'm Not sure which type filament I should use for this testing ??
(I want to use same filament with all nozzles)
I'll probably use ABS , since I already know what to expect with it and a .4mm nozzle.

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2 (edited by EagleSeven 2015-07-15 19:14:22)

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Under microscope I determined the different sizes.
(Part numbers are not in sequence)

Wow, the .2mm is Small ! !

Also found small burs at exit holes of some, making it Not a round hole.
cleaned those out by spinning sharp-pointed tweezers in holes.
Other than that they appear to be good quality.

When I pull the .4mm ones from printer I will compare those,
to those I received, under microscope.

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Would be nice to have a .2 to .5mm Drill-bit set now, But ......

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EagleSeven wrote:

Would be nice to have a .2 to .5mm Drill-bit set now, But ......

Ebay is your friend, search micro drill bit kit.

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5 (edited by EagleSeven 2015-07-15 21:58:34)

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carl_m1968 wrote:
EagleSeven wrote:

Would be nice to have a .2 to .5mm Drill-bit set now, But ......

Ebay is your friend, search micro drill bit kit.

yes, I had found a set on eBay, but it cost about as much a whole Pile of nozzles. LOL tongue
I may order the set Anyway smile the bits will be a good thing to have for Cleaning nozzles.
And for making sure the nozzles are the size they are supposed to be.

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EagleSeven wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:
EagleSeven wrote:

Would be nice to have a .2 to .5mm Drill-bit set now, But ......

Ebay is your friend, search micro drill bit kit.

yes, I had found a set on eBay, but it cost about as much a whole Pile of nozzles. LOL tongue
I may order the set Anyway smile the bits will be a good thing to have for Cleaning nozzles.
And for making sure the nozzles are the size they are supposed to be.

I got a set from China for 6 bucks and they are tungsten carbide. Which reminds me, be very careful with them. They are very brittle and can break off in your nozzle with the slightest flex.

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7 (edited by EagleSeven 2015-07-15 22:59:26)

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I ordered a set of 10 Bits for $16. total,
2 each of 5 sizes (.2 thru .6mm)
they are tungsten-carbide also.

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If you are going to run a 0.2mm nozzle...be ready to run some good quality filament...the most minor particulate will clog like crazy.

Octave or (forbid I say it) Makerbot are good options...

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9 (edited by EagleSeven 2015-07-15 23:06:33)

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IronMan wrote:

If you are going to run a 0.2mm nozzle...be ready to run some good quality filament...the most minor particulate will clog like crazy.

Octave or (forbid I say it) Makerbot are good options...

I had really not planed to try the .2mm but do want to try the .3 and .5mm.
.2mm Looks way too Small to me. tongue

BTW: Gotta Love Makerbot ! without them, we would not have this wonderful CTC printer tongue

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EagleSeven wrote:
IronMan wrote:

If you are going to run a 0.2mm nozzle...be ready to run some good quality filament...the most minor particulate will clog like crazy.

Octave or (forbid I say it) Makerbot are good options...

I had really not planed to try the .2mm but do want to try the .3 and .5mm.
.2mm Looks way too Small to me. tongue

BTW: Gotta Love Makerbot ! without them, we would not have this wonderful CTC printer tongue

The CTC is actually a direct copy FlashForge Creator Dual. It is Flashforge that actually copied the Makerbot. Even then they would have just copied the next major brand.

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Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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Now I'll need to Print some Handle/Holders for those Drill-bits !
Different color for each size would be Great !

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Those .3 nozzles will also clog very easy. Be very careful not to leave filament hot and idle more than 10 minutes max. It will harden to the point it cannot extrude through a .3 nozzle and it does not take very long. I have had to tear down and soak in acetone several hot ends because I got distracted during the preheat and let it sit too long at operating temp with filament in the nozzle.

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13 (edited by EagleSeven 2015-07-16 00:15:48)

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I'm curious what type of testing was done to determine that .4mm nozzles is the Best?
Has anyone heard who and where decided that size was to be sold with these printers ?
I assume it was someone at Makerbot ?
Or did Makerbot Copy someone Else ?

I found Handle for bits at Thingiverse , with 1/8" hole, I'll be printing Those tomorrow smile

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14 (edited by carl_m1968 2015-07-16 00:16:03)

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EagleSeven wrote:

I'm curious what type of testing was done to determine that .4mm nozzles is the Best?
Has anyone heard who and where decided that size was to be sold with these printers ?
I assume it was someone at Makerbot ?
Or did Makerbot Copy someone Else ?


Makerbot is an original design. Although somewhat open source so they actually where not really copied. Until a few years ago they to where considered open source.

Honestly though there is nothing about a 3d printer on the market right now that is unique. I am actually about to get rid of the mightyboard and it's dumb proprietary file format and switch to a Pibot controller and stepper drivers.

http://www.pibot.com/set-of-pibot-elect … 2-0-d.html

Or maybe just another RAMPS or similar that runs Marlin firmware so I can use the ever common STL format.

The last two printers I had not including the CTC or Da Vinci  came with .3 nozzles. I think .4 has just became common as it is the middle size of the available common sizes of .2 to .8mm.

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15 (edited by EagleSeven 2015-07-16 12:43:31)

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Carl,
You should start another thread about that conversion, if you do it.
That would be interesting to follow your progress on that project . smile

I've got the first drill-bit Handle printing now,
Doing it in Purple color ! tongue

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16 (edited by EagleSeven 2015-07-20 19:06:08)

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I looked at the nozzles, that came with the printer, for the first time today, under microscope.
And they appear to be Smaller than the .4mm, they are supposed to be. yikes

Comparing them to ones I just got, one appears to be .3mm and the other .2mm.
When I get the drill-bits I may be able to get a better measurement.
Since I don't have any other way to accurately measure a hole that small.

I'm Not going to change them, by enlarging hole,
because they are working Great, the size they are. smile
Just need to find out what size they Really Are !

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17 (edited by EagleSeven 2015-07-20 19:20:01)

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Using the drill-bits as Gauges, I determined that the right-Nozzle that came with printer is actually a .3mm nozzle, not the .4mm they say they are.

I tried printing with the new .4mm nozzle and it is Excessive . yikes
(Just not the smooth lines like the .3)
I was really surprised at the difference, of .3 and .4mm, made in quality of object !

The .2mm looks Way too small,
so I will be using .3mm size from now on. smile

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Just make sure that when you change nozzles you also change the size in your slicer. Otherwise you will be over extruding or under extruding based on slicer settings. Might be why .4 looks odd to you.

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19 (edited by EagleSeven 2015-07-20 19:38:13)

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carl_m1968 wrote:

Just make sure that when you change nozzles you also change the size in your slicer. Otherwise you will be over extruding or under extruding based on slicer settings. Might be why .4 looks odd to you.

Good idea, but the slicer setting was always .4 , even when using the .3,
so don't think slicer setting would cause it to be excessive when using a real .4 ?

Maybe it would not look excessive to most people,
I've just been accustomed to, and appreciate, the look of the .3 . LOL tongue

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Yes, looks like .4mm is a good setting in software, when using a .3mm nozzle .

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21 (edited by EagleSeven 2015-07-20 23:02:28)

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Warning: those Little tungsten-carbide Drill-bits are Not good for drilling out Nozzles, sad
Only good as size Gauges.
They Break  Very Easy ! sad

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EagleSeven wrote:

Yes, looks like .4mm is a good setting in software, when using a .3mm nozzle .

There are settings for both nozzle size (diameter) and extrusion width...The Nozzle diameter should be 0.3 and the Extrusion width should be nozzle diameter x 1.2 or 0.36

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23 (edited by n2ri 2015-07-21 05:31:48)

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EagleSeven wrote:

Warning: those Little tungsten-carbide Drill-bits are Not good for drilling out Nozzles, sad
Only good as size Gauges.
They Break  Very Easy ! sad

thats because China dont even know what Tungsten Carbide is much less make drill bits with it LOL.

learned that 30 years ago. Chinas so called high speed steel bits also NOT. they will untwist in wood lmao.

buy real made in USA drill bits or dont waste your money at all. Anderson Forester is only quality made tiny number gauge drill bits like used for gas orifices (orifices are only brass by the way so use great care not to ruin them)

if an orifice has a burr or any tiny flaw it is no longer an orifice. and when you "clean" them with tweezers you are actually reaming them out with a bevel which also ruins them.

an Orifice (especially on a 3D printer) has microscopic dimensions both inside and out. which must be exact the inside bevel/taper to direct flow for needed performance. the smooth even hole (often with tiny crown to prevent spider webs) then the correct amount of flat face for smoothing molten filament. any China drill bits I find in my drill index get 'recycled in file 13' where they belong as they have cost me many times what a good bit is just in time and damage to items being drilled/redrilled/replaced or injury when they break and stab user. I never buy bits on ebay or at Harbor fright. after making my living for over 40 year career with tools. I know better than to rely on El Cheapo brands

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24 (edited by n2ri 2015-07-21 05:39:55)

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also they do make and sell wire size gauge tools like feeler gauge sets which are more precise than a drill bit for measuring. and by they I dont mean China likely another item they are unfamiliar with. as they are only a tad more precision than India or Pakistan tooling

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25 (edited by EagleSeven 2015-07-21 14:40:06)

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n2ri wrote:
EagleSeven wrote:

Warning: those Little tungsten-carbide Drill-bits are Not good for drilling out Nozzles, sad
Only good as size Gauges.
They Break  Very Easy ! sad

thats because China dont even know what Tungsten Carbide is much less make drill bits with it LOL.

The bits I got were supposedly made in Japan, so I was hoping they would Not be made of Chalk,
like they appear to be ! LOL  smile

Thanks for the Info !

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