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Topic: Problem - not just a skip, but a huge jump to one side on a print...

As the title says - had a huge shift to the right on a print - larger piece.

This is on the new Folgertech 2020 Prusa running on a Ramps 1.4 board that is new to us. X end stop is to the left side, the shift was to the right, moved about 3/4s of the print on starting the second layer... see pic...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/heartless500/3D%20Stuff/2020%20Prusa/PART_1433869232749_.IMG_20150609_115932.jpg

Looking for ideas on what may have caused this?

Belt tension is good - could it be motor voltage is too low?
it also missed a couple of lines of fill...


this is the first larger print i have tried running on this printer, smaller stuff has been doing pretty good so far.

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Re: Problem - not just a skip, but a huge jump to one side on a print...

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As the title says - had a huge shift to the right on a print - larger piece.

This is on the new Folgertech 2020 Prusa running on a Ramps 1.4 board that is new to us. X end stop is to the left side, the shift was to the right, moved about 3/4s of the print on starting the second layer... see pic...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/heartless500/3D%20Stuff/2020%20Prusa/PART_1433869232749_.IMG_20150609_115932.jpg

Looking for ideas on what may have caused this?

Belt tension is good - could it be motor voltage is too low?
it also missed a couple of lines of fill...


this is the first larger print i have tried running on this printer, smaller stuff has been doing pretty good so far.


What do you have your motor voltage set to? It could also be an issue with the endstop connection. If it get interrupted the logic sees this as an endstop hit and that will be your new start position for that axis, thus shifting everything in relation to the point at which the hit occurs.

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Re: Problem - not just a skip, but a huge jump to one side on a print...

just checked voltage for that motor - powered up but at rest it is 0.077 - thinking too low? (4988 steppers at 1/16 stepping)
When we first got this one running, it was running rather hot - turned it down, then slowly increased until it moved reliably with a bit of extra tension on the belt. has been running nice and cool since.

motor is 2.6kg/cm (36oz/in) torque rating if that helps any (i have no clue how to calculate the correct voltage - the formulas are a bit more than I understand)

I wondered about it maybe inadvertently bumping the endstop, but after looking at things (location of parts on the bed), I dont think that was it...print head should never have been closer than at least an inch away... the jump was nearly 60mm (2-1/4")...

All connections are nice and snug as well.

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Re: Problem - not just a skip, but a huge jump to one side on a print...

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just checked voltage for that motor - powered up but at rest it is 0.077 - thinking too low? (4988 steppers at 1/16 stepping)
When we first got this one running, it was running rather hot - turned it down, then slowly increased until it moved reliably with a bit of extra tension on the belt. has been running nice and cool since.

motor is 2.6kg/cm (36oz/in) torque rating if that helps any (i have no clue how to calculate the correct voltage - the formulas are a bit more than I understand)

I wondered about it maybe inadvertently bumping the endstop, but after looking at things (location of parts on the bed), I dont think that was it...print head should never have been closer than at least an inch away... the jump was nearly 60mm (2-1/4")...

All connections are nice and snug as well.


Your motors need to be set at about .150 to .250. .077 is very low.

As for the endstop it could be an intermittent connection. With the machine idle move the head away and jiggle the wires and see if the status light changes state on the endstop.

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Re: Problem - not just a skip, but a huge jump to one side on a print...

ok, jiggled wires around at both ends - no status changes at all, not even a flicker, so I think we good there.

will see about tweaking the voltage up a little and see if that helps things.

Thanks Carl.

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Re: Problem - not just a skip, but a huge jump to one side on a print...

I am actually surprised your motors would even run set that low.

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Re: Problem - not just a skip, but a huge jump to one side on a print...

aside from this major jump, it has been running pretty well...

I did add the x belt tensioner last night, ran a smaller print this morning with no problem, so figured I would try something larger... and here we are, lol

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Re: Problem - not just a skip, but a huge jump to one side on a print...

Could be that at too low a vref it couldn't handle the additional torque from the belt tensioner. makes sense.

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Re: Problem - not just a skip, but a huge jump to one side on a print...

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Could be that at too low a vref it couldn't handle the additional torque from the belt tensioner. makes sense.

yup, that is the theory I am going with - for now. lol

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Re: Problem - not just a skip, but a huge jump to one side on a print...

voltage turned up to 0.158 now, running a complicated geometric parametric print that has given issues before... shall see how things progress.

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Re: Problem - not just a skip, but a huge jump to one side on a print...

I usually get this with a mechanical problem. Something like:

-Filament getting tangled
-Overextrusion leaves a blob that knocks the extruder out of alignment
-My wire bundle got caught in the z-end stop and pulled on the carriage
-Carriage tries to travel past the end of the bed and binds up

In the end, anything that makes the carriage skip.

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Re: Problem - not just a skip, but a huge jump to one side on a print...

Well, i do believe it was the voltage too low... have been torture testing for an hour now after turning it up with a geometric snowflake print...

scaled the print up to 1.5 times its normal size to give the printer a good workout - lots of angles, a little fill, roughly half the print bed size... have run 2 at that size back to back with no skips/jumps. Only issue I am seeing is a little stringing & some oozing... tongue

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/heartless500/3D%20Stuff/2020%20Prusa/test%20snowflake%201.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/heartless500/3D%20Stuff/2020%20Prusa/test%20snowflake%202.jpg

scaled it up to twice normal size and running that now - nearly fills the print bed.

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Re: Problem - not just a skip, but a huge jump to one side on a print...

The double sized one printed with no problems - I think the problem is resolved. nearly 3 hours of continuous printing with no more skips/jumps.  smile Now to work on that oozing issue and get it dialed in nice & clean.

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Re: Problem - not just a skip, but a huge jump to one side on a print...

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The double sized one printed with no problems - I think the problem is resolved. nearly 3 hours of continuous printing with no more skips/jumps.  smile Now to work on that oozing issue and get it dialed in nice & clean.

Now that the voltage is back up, you may want to consider strapping a heat sink on that X motor...

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Re: Problem - not just a skip, but a huge jump to one side on a print...

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heartless wrote:

The double sized one printed with no problems - I think the problem is resolved. nearly 3 hours of continuous printing with no more skips/jumps.  smile Now to work on that oozing issue and get it dialed in nice & clean.

Now that the voltage is back up, you may want to consider strapping a heat sink on that X motor...

it is actually staying fairly cool so far - barely got lukewarm after 3 hours of use, but yeah, will be keeping an eye on that for sure. The SD4 used to get so hot you couldn't hardly touch it!

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