1 (edited by chancrescolex 2015-03-30 23:40:19)

Topic: Need advice on how to handle a situation with Solidoodle

I'll try to keep this as short as possible.

I preordered a Solidoodle Press in October 2014 and after waiting 18+ weeks with multiple shipping delays, I decided to just upgrade to a Workbench Apprentice because I thought I'd get it sooner. The order was changed on Feb. 27, 2015.

On March 10 I asked Solidoodle support if they had any estimation for shipping. I received a response on March 18 that they were waiting on parts for the WA and that the printer would ship in a week. I then got an email later the same day that my printer had shipped. Odd, but okay, whatever.

I received my WA the next day (March 19) and looked it over at work. I noticed this sticker on the back of the printer, but didn't think much of it at the time. I also noticed that the x-axis heatsink fan seemed misaligned, but didn't think much of that either.

When I got the printer home and tried to use it, I realized that I was missing the power cord for the power converter. This is all I received. The cord that goes to the wall outlet was missing. Luckily I had some of those type of cords laying around so I was up and running in a few minutes.

When I tried to use Soliprint to home the carriage, the y-axis was binding up and could not move at all. It only took me a few minutes to fix this by adjusting and evening the belt tensions, but I felt this was something I should not have to do on a brand new printer that is supposedly tested by Solidoodle before being shipped.

Just this weekend while running a print, I got down on the floor so I could be eye level with the bed, and I noticed that the x-axis heatsink fan was not working at all. When I inspected it, I realized that it was broken. The holes on the heatsink did not line up with the holes on the fan, yet someone tried to tighten the screws in anyway which caused the fan to crack/crush. The heatsink is also just a total hackjob. There are several pictures of them both at the end of this album.

I contacted Solidoodle support about the heatsink/fan but am still waiting to hear back. My concern at this point is that I'm suspecting this was a returned/refurbished unit due to that school sticker. Not only do I expect a new product when I pay for a new product, but if this was first shipped to someone else, how did they not inspect it and find any of these issues??

Any thoughts/advice are appreciated.

Solidoodle Workbench Apprentice
M5 replacement z-axis rod, PEI bed

2 (edited by jagowilson 2015-03-30 19:52:24)

Re: Need advice on how to handle a situation with Solidoodle

Wow, that's quite sad. I would most certainly suspect you have received a refurbished unit, considering those are built in Brooklyn and that school district is in Vista, California. Sorry to hear that OP but it sounds pretty Solidoodley to me. I doubt your machine was inspected in any way.

If everything else in the machine is OK, aside from that fan, you might as well keep it - but check the frame for square because your machine has been through a lot of transit now. It'll probably be more hassle than it's worth to return it, and who knows when they'd send you a replacement, if you even want one. I'd only return it if you for certain don't want a workbench.

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Aside from the issues I've had, I'm pretty happy with the printer and the print quality I've gotten since fine tuning the belts and greasing all the linear rods/bearings. I'm just very unhappy with Solidoodle's lack of quality control and their apparent shady business practices.

Solidoodle Workbench Apprentice
M5 replacement z-axis rod, PEI bed

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They've discovered that their customers make better repair techs than the ones they forgot to hire, and they've shipped you a unit that came in for repair.  Please ship it back to the school district when you have it running smoothly, and don't forget to file a W-9 form.  8*|

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it is very sad.
But the most important is that the situation is very serious because you bought a new product and the picture shown a product totally different like a refurbished. If solidoodle don't return the money or send you a new product you can sue.

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I would send a forum mail to Soliryan and link this thread.  That way it goes to his regular email.

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3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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what a joke...Id be irate

I certainly hope this is not a regular SD practice.

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jagowilson wrote:

Wow, that's quite sad. I would most certainly suspect you have received a refurbished unit, considering those are built in Brooklyn and that school district is in Vista, California. Sorry to hear that OP but it sounds pretty Solidoodley to me. I doubt your machine was inspected in any way.

If everything else in the machine is OK, aside from that fan, you might as well keep it - but check the frame for square because your machine has been through a lot of transit now. It'll probably be more hassle than it's worth to return it, and who knows when they'd send you a replacement, if you even want one. I'd only return it if you for certain don't want a workbench.

I do like the Apprentice and I'd like to keep it, but I'm concerned about this unit. I don't like the fact that it was in someone elses possession and was somehow sent to me without any inspection in between. Aside from the broken fan, the y-axis belts were so tight when I received the unit that I could not even move the carriage by hand without an excessive amount of force. Even if the fan issue gets resolved, which will most likely involve them sending me a replacement and having to install it myself, who knows what else could have been tampered with or what could go wrong in the future? As much as I don't want to go through the hassle of an exchange, I think that is probably what I would prefer.

Solidoodle Workbench Apprentice
M5 replacement z-axis rod, PEI bed

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chancrescolex wrote:

Even if the fan issue gets resolved, which will most likely involve them sending me a replacement and having to install it myself, who knows what else could have been tampered with or what could go wrong in the future? As much as I don't want to go through the hassle of an exchange, I think that is probably what I would prefer.

It doesn't sound like you are ever going to be able to trust this particular printer.  I'd send it back for a different "pig in a poke" and hope the next one is better.

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I would feel the same way, insist on an exchange.

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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wardjr wrote:

I would feel the same way, insist on an exchange.

+1. sending someone else's hardware as "new" isn't cool.

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Wow . You are right if you pay for a new  item it should be new . not a return or refurb unless stated and discounted.


I purchased  my sd4 as a used machine and it has done well . yes had to tweak adjust etc.

Some times with certain Chinese imports slightly used is better. As the first owner has worked out the bugs and made the adjustments. Cleaned off the burs and made the final fit and Finnish the factory neglected.
You need to decide the best course of action  How long will an exchange take? 
Best of luck.
Tin

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13 (edited by shields1.as 2015-03-31 12:39:05)

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Their customer care is severly lacking. This is what happens when you let the Chinese involved in your products. China = poor quality

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shields1.as wrote:

Their customer care is severly lacking. This is what happens when you let the Chinese involved in assembling your products. China = poor quality

Those are assembled in Brooklyn.

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shields1.as wrote:

Their customer care is severly lacking. This is what happens when you let the Chinese involved in assembling your products. China = poor quality

People seem to ilke their iphones.  What country do they make those in again?

16 (edited by pirvan 2015-03-31 02:49:59)

Re: Need advice on how to handle a situation with Solidoodle

shields1.as wrote:

Their customer care is severly lacking. This is what happens when you let the Chinese involved in assembling your products. China = poor quality

Seriously???

When is the last time you looked at the place of manufacture on most your appliances or electronics?  Just because it has a Japanese, American or Korean or whatever-else brand name on it, it doesn't mean it's made there.  What about your computer components  I'd venture to say most of them are made in China.

Then again, maybe the Solidoole is made in one of Brooklyn's Chinatowns ? lol

To print or, 3D print, that is the question...
SD3 printer w/too many mods,  Printrbot Simple Maker Ed.,  FormLabs Form 1+
AnyCubic Photon, Shining 3D EinScan-S & Atlas 3D scanners...
...and too much time on my hands.

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I like to use knife and gun companies as examples. Anytime one of them ever ventures out to China the product turns to crap. Anything mechanical they cheap out on. Their electronics are pretty good. But nothing mechanical they make is worth two cents, motors, bearings, any metal products. China just puts out poor quality mechanical products and I'd argue the Solidoodle is their latest screw up. Also solidoodle severely needs a service center. Their customer care is terrible.


pirvan wrote:
shields1.as wrote:

Their customer care is severly lacking. This is what happens when you let the Chinese involved in assembling your products. China = poor quality

Seriously???

When is the last time you looked at the place of manufacture on most your appliances or electronics?  Just because it has a Japanese, American or Korean or whatever-else brand name on it, it doesn't mean it's made there.  What about your computer components  I'd venture to say most of them are made in China.

Then again, maybe the Solidoole is made in one of Brooklyn's Chinatowns ? lol

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I like to use knife and gun companies as examples. Anytime one of them ever ventures out to China the product turns to crap. Anything mechanical they cheap out on. Their electronics are pretty good. But nothing mechanical they make is worth two cents, motors, bearings, any metal products. China just puts out poor quality mechanical products and I'd argue the Solidoodle is their latest screw up. Also solidoodle severely needs a service center. Their customer care is terrible.


pirvan wrote:
shields1.as wrote:

Their customer care is severly lacking. This is what happens when you let the Chinese involved in assembling your products. China = poor quality

Seriously???

When is the last time you looked at the place of manufacture on most your appliances or electronics?  Just because it has a Japanese, American or Korean or whatever-else brand name on it, it doesn't mean it's made there.  What about your computer components  I'd venture to say most of them are made in China.

Then again, maybe the Solidoole is made in one of Brooklyn's Chinatowns ? lol

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shields1.as wrote:

I like to use knife and gun companies as examples. Anytime one of them ever ventures out to China the product turns to crap. Anything mechanical they cheap out on. Their electronics are pretty good. But nothing mechanical they make is worth two cents, motors, bearings, any metal products. China just puts out poor quality mechanical products and I'd argue the Solidoodle is their latest screw up. Also solidoodle severely needs a service center. Their customer care is terrible.

The problem has nothing to do with China. China and other countries are capable of quality manufacturing. The real problem is US companies that lack quality control and accept inferior imported products to cut costs. Sure, a lot of stuff that comes out of China is garbage, but the US companies that sell it are fully aware and accept that lack of quality to save money.

I'm not saying that is the case with Solidoodles manufacturing, but I know that they are definitely lacking in quality control.

Solidoodle Workbench Apprentice
M5 replacement z-axis rod, PEI bed

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Solidoodle is now marking all my open tickets as solved with no response...

Solidoodle Workbench Apprentice
M5 replacement z-axis rod, PEI bed

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chancrescolex ,

what is the answer from Soliryan about your situation?

how possible that anyone on solidoodle say something¡¡

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Jukalo wrote:

chancrescolex ,

what is the answer from Soliryan about your situation?

how possible that anyone on solidoodle say something¡¡

I pm'd him a link to this thread last night. No response yet.

Solidoodle Workbench Apprentice
M5 replacement z-axis rod, PEI bed

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Now I'm wondering if it's regular practice for them to pass off returned/refurbished units as new ones, and the only reason I suspected mine was is because of the school barcode sticker that they didn't notice and remove.

Solidoodle Workbench Apprentice
M5 replacement z-axis rod, PEI bed

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chancrescolex wrote:

Now I'm wondering if it's regular practice for them to pass off returned/refurbished units as new ones, and the only reason I suspected mine was is because of the school barcode sticker that they didn't notice and remove.

Well considering there's no option to buy refurbished units wink

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they don't do the best job that's for sure. Their complete lack of quality control makes me wonder how long they will be around

chancrescolex wrote:

Now I'm wondering if it's regular practice for them to pass off returned/refurbished units as new ones, and the only reason I suspected mine was is because of the school barcode sticker that they didn't notice and remove.