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DePartedPrinter wrote:

If the auger was not aligned dead center then it might not be applying even pressure to the thrust bearing. I'm sure its rated for 555lbs evenly distributed.

Oh! Totally agree. I was misreading your statement as "it could have not have even had pressure applied".

The challenge is in distributing the load cheaply and effectively. If it's really in excess of 555lbs, we've got serious problems. Like pressures in excess of 1000psi.

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elmoret wrote:
DePartedPrinter wrote:

If the auger was not aligned dead center then it might not be applying even pressure to the thrust bearing. I'm sure its rated for 555lbs evenly distributed.

Oh! Totally agree. I was misreading your statement as "it could have not have even had pressure applied".

The challenge is in distributing the load cheaply and effectively. If it's really in excess of 555lbs, we've got serious problems. Like pressures in excess of 1000psi.

You could eliminate it all together if you think the motor can handle it...

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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I love the 2 buttons!

I split my AC adapter wires so that I have a positive and negative for both the Motor and the Fan.  The AC Adapter plugs into the white 2 prong extension cord (which has been cut to have around 6" of cable.  That cable is then wired to one of my switches. The other switch is wired to the PID.

So I turn on the first switch which powers up the PID and starts warming up the heat band.  After about 20 mins, I flip the other switch which turns on the Motor and filament cooling fan.

I can leave the entire setup plugged into an outlet and just flip the switches when I want to use the system.  Is this needed? Not really, but it adds a certain amount of polish to the project.

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Do you think a fan cone like this could be any benefit?

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:28644

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I've got some 2100lb roller bearings on the way. McMaster: 5909K11     + (2) 5909K71. Roller bearings are more suited to this application, but were twice as much as the ball bearings I started with. Still only a few bucks.

306 (edited by elmoret 2013-01-08 23:53:17)

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nickythegreek wrote:

Do you think a fan cone like this could be any benefit?

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:28644

On the nozzle of the Filastruder, you mean? Yeah, it'd probably help. The faster you can cool it, the better.

Switches will stay. Thanks beta testers!

EDIT: one other thing - if you make filament over 1.85mm, it will not feed through cold end of your Solidoodle 2. The only jam/clog I've experienced has been due to this - the diameter being too large.

EDIT 2: Tried out some new gear motors rated at 8.31 in-lbs of torque. Barely moved the auger, then stopped. Enough to overcome viscous friction, but not enough to build pressure. That means the required torque lies between 8.31 and 75 in-lbs (the motor we've been using). If someone finds a gearmotor that puts out over 30 in-lbs and is 1-5 RPM for under $30, let me know!

They were quiet though. Quieter than the fan. sad

307 (edited by nickythegreek 2013-01-08 23:14:03)

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Printing out the fan cone now.

I don't think we mentioned the Makibox Ramen yet. It is supposed to be $150 and includes an auto spooling system.

http://www.makibox.com/details/product/ramen_kit


EDIT:
Ramen First Look

308 (edited by elmoret 2013-01-08 23:25:13)

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nickythegreek wrote:

Printing out the fan cone now.

I don't think we mentioned the Makibox Ramen yet. It is supposed to be $150 and includes an auto spooling system.

http://www.makibox.com/details/product/ramen_kit


EDIT:
Ramen First Look

I posted there about it:

http://makibox.com/forum/topic/1206

It escalated... quickly. They are very proud of their stuff over there.

They have some cool ideas, but I still haven't seen it extrude anything straight, and I have no idea how he plans to do that $150 price point, with a spooler motor too!

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Ah good link! I'm more interested in their spooler but it looks like they are still at extruding stages.

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I definitely responded poorly. I was just a little set off by this:

To be perfectly honest; it's hard to fault the design or manufacture of the makibox version, while the kit is obviously a work in progress.

After pouring so much free time to bring something to life in 1/4th of the time that say, FilaBot has taken thus far.

Live and learn.

311 (edited by nickythegreek 2013-01-09 04:54:29)

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That last stl I put up didnt work to out well, the foil was providing to much resistance.

Today's project:
http://f.cl.ly/items/2d2K0s1n3P2Q3a1q2R1W/Photo%20Jan%2008,%2011%2048%2030%20PM.jpg

I used the fan duct from http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:12302

and taped it to the fan then jammed the fan into this: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5450

Sidenote, I really need to learn more Sketchup.. and buy some screws to have for projects.

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Nice!

I just spent the last 3 hours searching for a quieter gear motor. :-/

313 (edited by nickythegreek 2013-01-09 05:17:02)

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I had some 1/2" acoustic foam laying around. Didn't do much, maybe ~5db but the wife appreciates it. 

My next big hurdle is these damn cats! I live in a house that completely lacks doors and the keep knocking it off the guide!

http://f.cl.ly/items/3q0w2x470e1V133x1u3E/Photo%20Jan%2008,%2011%2057%2046%20PM.jpg

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Nice! I threw a thick towel over it, all the way to the hopper. The noise travels up the metal assembly, so the more you can insulate acoustically, the better.

Would you guys have paid $20-30 more for a quiet motor?

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The noise is one of the biggest drawbacks of the current design. How much noise reduction are you talking?

316 (edited by elmoret 2013-01-09 05:47:26)

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It's hard to say, probably down to around 25-30db. Unfortunately most places don't list noise as a spec. Additionally, it varies with regard to load. If you loosen the allen set screws in the coupling and let the motor freewheel, it gets WAY quieter.

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I'm having issues with the filament sticking to the brass with my new design.  Do you think this could be caused the brass being to cold from all of the direct air? Or do I just need to clean the brass occasionally?

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My trick to quiet these kind of gearboxes down is an oil bath smile

just make a reservoir to place around the gearbox on your gearbox the drive motor is not very high up so the oil you would stop below that, some motors I have completely covered in oil but only very low wattage ac(brushless ones) not sure about the motor you are using, when completely covering all parts of the gearbox it makes a huge difference smile also an isolator bushing on the shaft helps.

319 (edited by elmoret 2013-01-09 06:20:17)

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nickythegreek wrote:

I'm having issues with the filament sticking to the brass with my new design.  Do you think this could be caused the brass being to cold from all of the direct air? Or do I just need to clean the brass occasionally?

That's odd. It's actually just copper pipe. I've extruded like 10 lbs and never cleaned mine. It might actually be that the filament is still hot - your fan is further away than mine was, and the cone goes outwards so air velocity will be reduced. If the filament is still hot, it will stick and bunch up for sure. Same thing if the guide is too far away or too close.

An oil bath is something I've considered, but I don't know that I can seal the gearbox well enough. Really, the solution is finding the right motor. I know it's out there somewhere!

Does anyone here have experience with printed gears? Can they handle tooth forces of 10-20 lbs?

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That would be a good question for the RepRap guys.

321 (edited by elmoret 2013-01-09 06:31:21)

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IanJohnson wrote:

That would be a good question for the RepRap guys.

The Wade's Extruder calls for a motor rated at 5 in-lbs, and the gears are strong enough to stall the stepper. The teeth are about 0.25" from the center of the shaft, which puts the tooth load at about 20 lbs.

I have the liberty of making the teeth bigger, too. Unfortunately I do not have any PLA, which is what they recommend, as its wear life is better. http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?1,175026,175036

Looks like I'll spend my free time tomorrow CADing up some gears. a 8:1 ratio would put this guy:

http://www.mpja.com/24VDC-19RPM-Gearmot … /19284+MD/

at 2.2RPM, 66.5 in-lbs of torque. Which is just about where the current motor is. The linked motor is one I have on hand already.

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elmoret wrote:

Nice! I threw a thick towel over it, all the way to the hopper. The noise travels up the metal assembly, so the more you can insulate acoustically, the better.

Would you guys have paid $20-30 more for a quiet motor?


Yes.

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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elmoret wrote:
nickythegreek wrote:

I'm having issues with the filament sticking to the brass with my new design.  Do you think this could be caused the brass being to cold from all of the direct air? Or do I just need to clean the brass occasionally?

That's odd. It's actually just copper pipe. I've extruded like 10 lbs and never cleaned mine. It might actually be that the filament is still hot - your fan is further away than mine was, and the cone goes outwards so air velocity will be reduced. If the filament is still hot, it will stick and bunch up for sure. Same thing if the guide is too far away or too close.

An oil bath is something I've considered, but I don't know that I can seal the gearbox well enough. Really, the solution is finding the right motor. I know it's out there somewhere!

Does anyone here have experience with printed gears? Can they handle tooth forces of 10-20 lbs?

I have seen printed gears take some high loads but there is no telling how long they will last like that. I know plastic gears are used in a ton of applications.  Back when I worked with a dimension printer we printed a ton of helical gears for a geo tranny...wish we could have put those to use.

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

324 (edited by Fastrack 2013-01-09 21:52:47)

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Maybe some gears made out of Taulman 3d Nylon 618!  I've ordered some but have not had a chance to print with it yet.

Why can't I post links?  Am I too new?

A quieter motor would be great.  But as the layman extruder uses, you would need some gearing.

I'm trying to wrap my head around what the trust bearing is for - the one that keeps breaking..?  It doesn't appear the layman one uses it.  I did read this entire topic, but I might have missed it.

Ben

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Fastrack wrote:

Why can't I post links?  Am I too new?
Ben

Ya, I think it is like at 5 or 15 posts that you can then do links. It is to help weed out the spambots.