1 (edited by madkow007 2015-03-06 19:05:55)

Topic: calibration issues?

I am trying very hard to get my SD4 dialed in correctly, and it is proving to be a bit of a challenge... I have done a LOT of searching, reading, and learning since it arrived.

first off, this thing was puchased used, and when it arrived it had some adjusting that needed to be done - things just were not lined up properly causing a little bit of binding. I think I got that pretty well sorted out, and belts tensioned evenly...i can move the printhead around manually fairly easily now.

have played around with printing various things and getting ok results, but feel they could be better, so I read up on calibrating the flow rate here: http://support.solidoodle.com/hc/en-us/ … alibration

here is where things get interesting...

the very first line (left to right at the front) of the actual cube is off - when it starts to lay down that first solid fill layer, the first line is not met with the fill... I killed the print to snap the first pic...

all layers after that - from 2 on up, lay down just fine and where they are supposed to be. It is ONLY on that very first line. Can be seen in pic 2 as well (sorry for the poor quality - cell phone) of a partially completed cube..

i hadnt really paid much attention to this in previous test cube prints, but it is the same on ALL of them. So - systematic problem, right?
so how do I go about fixing it? Or can I fix it? Belts too tight? too loose? just how tight are they supposed to be anyway?

I am still learning here, so some of the terminology is still a little foreign to me. Please bear with me as I learn...

edit to add: I am using PLA for all of this - easier for me to work with for now...

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Re: calibration issues?

It looks like you are over extruding or extruding too close to the bed for that first layer.  Either way that almost looks like a missed step cause by friction of the head dragging a little too much.  Easiest thing to try is lower the bed slightly with the Z end stop adjustment and try again.

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Re: calibration issues?

it probably doesnt help that the bed is warped left to right, with the high spot being in the middle... pretty obvious when sighting along the front edge... I have tried re-leveling this thing so many times now I can almost do it in my sleep.
any lower and it doesnt stick well, or the fill has gaps and looks terrible

I guess I need to see about getting some glass on there or something... how well does pla work on glass? do I need to use something to get it to stick?

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Re: calibration issues?

Use glass just have it cut at the local hardware store.  You can use some tape to shim inbetween the outer edges if needed.  PLA will stick to blue painters tape if not the glass.

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Re: calibration issues?

what about mirror? I have seen a few posts where people were using mirrors - I happen to have some 12 x 12 mirror tiles on hand that I can easily cut down (if i can find my glass cutter - lol) they are about 2.5 - 3 mm thick...

I have another question, too - how do I get the print head to go to the home position after a job - and STAY there...
Have tied the G28 x y code, and it will home, then immediately goes to front left corner, slamming there and throwing things out of whack...so right now i kind of have to babysit the darn thing.

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Re: calibration issues?

I use mirror exclusively. So yes, that is not a problem.

If nobody gets back to you on the end code, I'll toss mine on here once I return home

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Re: calibration issues?

thank you AZERATE.

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Re: calibration issues?

AZERATE wrote:

I use mirror exclusively. So yes, that is not a problem.

If nobody gets back to you on the end code, I'll toss mine on here once I return home

That doesn't sound like an end code issue to me but maybe?  Are your endstops functioning properly?  When you click home for an axis does it move to the switch then bounce out 5 mm and then return to the switch?

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Re: calibration issues?

Sorry it took awhile smile

G28 X0 Y0  ; home X axis and y axis
G1 Z100 F300 ; lower platform to bottom
M104 S0 ; kill extruder temperature
M140 S0 ; kill bed temperature
M84 ; disable motors

The cool thing about this is you can literally copy and paste it into your Slic3r Custom G-Code settings (under printer settings) and delete or modify the lines that are not working for you.
G28 X0 Y0 command as given will home X/Y. So if that is all you want to add, then delete the line causing problems in your end code and paste the line.

Let us know how this works out! smile

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Re: calibration issues?

I have been using window glass held with binder clips and aua net hair spray . PLA... getting pretty good results  do have to respray once in a while.

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Re: calibration issues?

wardjr wrote:

That doesn't sound like an end code issue to me but maybe?  Are your endstops functioning properly?  When you click home for an axis does it move to the switch then bounce out 5 mm and then return to the switch?

Yes, if I click the home buttons - either all home, or the individual axis buttons, they will "home" properly.

It is only if I try to add the end G code in slic3r that it does this odd, "home" then left front thing...
The RH version I am using is 1.0.6 if that matters any - slic3r had some ending Gcode already in it when I installed - that is how I learned about this in the first place...

it had something along the lines of
     G28 X0 Y0 ; home x axis and y axis
     M84 ; diasable motors

And I have tried it both with and without the "0"s after the axis designations (found the reprap wiki on G code) - no difference either way - it homes, then immediately goes left front.

Ended up just deleting the code entirely after it did this a few times, screwing up the Y alignment pretty badly. Kind of afraid of that code anymore! LOL

And AZERATE - no worries, I understand. smile thanks for sharing the code.

just out of curiosity, on the G1 line - I get the Z100 part, but what does F300 stand for?

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Re: calibration issues?

I don't think I have any custom end code.

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Re: calibration issues?

F300 means feedrate of 300 mm/min, it's the speed of the motor. 300 mm/min = 5 mm/s

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Re: calibration issues?

jagowilson wrote:

F300 means feedrate of 300 mm/min, it's the speed of the motor. 300 mm/min = 5 mm/s

Ah! gotcha! thanks. smile

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Re: calibration issues?

ok, getting back to the original issue...

the 20mm x 20mm cube is not quite measuring up quite right in the X/Y - i get:
     X = 20.167mm x Y = 19.481mm
I am kind of thinking that the one line that "looks" off is actually where it is supposed to be, and the rest of it is off? is this possible?

Havent gotten a full cube yet to get a Z measurement - came close yesterday but the bridging was terrible so I killed it - gonna have to slow it down or something - sagged something awful! LOL what I did get done (minus one layer) on it measured out to 19.862, so it is pretty darn close on the Z axis...

Oh, and at the moment, I am using an old dial type inch caliper and converting the inches to mms, as it is all I have on hand (digital is on its way)

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Re: calibration issues?

madkow007 wrote:

ok, getting back to the original issue...

I am kind of thinking that the one line that "looks" off is actually where it is supposed to be, and the rest of it is off? is this possible?

This is exactly what my first reply is suggesting.  Reread it and adjust accordingly.

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Re: calibration issues?

wardjr wrote:
madkow007 wrote:

ok, getting back to the original issue...

I am kind of thinking that the one line that "looks" off is actually where it is supposed to be, and the rest of it is off? is this possible?

This is exactly what my first reply is suggesting.  Reread it and adjust accordingly.

except i dont think it is a "head dragging" issue - the height has been calibrated to the highest part of the bed...

Other half had to work today, so is going to pick up a glass cutter on the way home this afternoon - I should then be able to get a piece of mirror cut to have a nice flat surface to work with, and we will try again...

on a semi-related note - i do get the "odd" circle issue (flat spots) on the Y axis, suggesting belts are not tight enough, but if I tighten the short belt anymore it causes the rod to bend... and FWIW, this particular SD4 does NOT have the support bushing in mid case (between the pulleys and Z axis stop screw), altho the mounting holes are present... maybe it had it, but the previous owner removed it? or maybe it was never installed? who knows....

would it help if I had something there?

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Re: calibration issues?

It helps if you have bearings there, I am not convinced the bushing SD used actually made things better.

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19 (edited by jagowilson 2015-02-21 18:54:00)

Re: calibration issues?

wardjr wrote:

It helps if you have bearings there, I am not convinced the bushing SD used actually made things better.

In fact they make no difference. The only difference is you will experience binding sooner if you tighten down the motor too much.

Bearings are better.

20 (edited by madkow007 2015-02-21 20:11:22)

Re: calibration issues?

Ok, so I owe wardjr an apology...amazing the difference a nice flat surface can make!

found my glass cutter, cut a piece of the mirror to fit (sort of - a little crooked on one edge, but so what), found a couple of binder clips to hold it on (other half is going to pick up some more on the way home instead of a glass cutter, lol), re-leveled everything with bed at full temp and extruder halfway warm - was just shy of oozing... and snugged the short belt just a teensy bit more, trying not to bend the rod...

and viola! the odd line is odd no longer!

the 20 x 20 cube is still a little small on the Y axis, but MUCH closer than it was.

edit: on closer inspection, that first line is still just a smidgen off, but no where near what it was, and the fill layer was actually meeting it on the first layer....could possibly be due to that first layer squish?


now to try some circles....

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Re: calibration issues?

Ok, so digging into this thing a little deeper, I have been reading about checking and adjusting the voltage trimpots for the motors...dug out the trusty old NRI multimeter and began checking things out...

Solidoodle states that X, Y & Z should be at 1v ea, and E should be at 0.250v...
My initial readings of what they were as is are below...

X = 1.219
Y = 1.249
Z = 1.210
E = 0.834 (!) no wonder i was getting diagonal pulsing!

so after much fiddling about, power up, test, note readings, power down, unplug, adjust, plug back in, and repeat (don't have a ceramic screwdriver - yet), I now have:

X = 1.003
Y = 1.006
Z = 0.993 (was super touchy - or would it be better to have it slightly over - around 1.05 +/-?)
E = 0.251

test cube coming up...

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Re: calibration issues?

alrighty then... found that feed rate was way over doing things - tried the feed 100 mm thing and got 134 mm...yikes!
figured out how to correct that so now it is feeding the right amount, BUT...

still has that little lip on the front - the very first line laid down is different than the rest...

20 x 20 single wall cube is measuring out at X = 21.84 mm & Y = 16.76 mm on the walls,
but if I measure the bottom layer I get X = 23.11 and Y = 21.082

Belts have been re-aligned and re-tensioned just this morning...

I have found the X/Y dimensions to be off on other items I have printed as well that are supposed to be symmetrical... help!

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Re: calibration issues?

the first layer gets squished so it tends to be larger than the rest and create a lip. a lip is better than poor adhesion, but if you want you can mess with the z stop to get rid of it. tiny adjustments.

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Re: calibration issues?

Hmm that 16.76mm Y measurement sounds not so healthy...
Can you upload a photo of the cube? Might help to see more.

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Re: calibration issues?

yup, will get some photos up this morning.

I let the full cube print run last night - got some issues with bridging, too, but one step at a time here...

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