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When soldering, given an example of say trying to add solder to a wire, the key is to not go "Solder to Soldering Iron tip, then Glob of solder to the wire." The key is to go "heat wire with iron tip, melt solder on the heated wire"  If it helps, you can add a tiny bit of solder to your soldering iron, to aid heat transfer, but you shouldn't glob it on.


I don't know if that was your problem, but I'm simply saying so as general soldering advice since you said it was your first time. I hope I'm not annoying.

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Tomek: thanks for being so helpful.  I've soldered for 45 years, and understand how to do it right.  The bigger challenge is not heating the pins so long that they melt out of the connector.  So, it is literally touch and go.  It seems to be holding now.

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When the hot end gets to 160 C, the solder joint fails. I assume that the hot end is getting hot enough to melt the solder.  So, once again, I am screwed.  The connector is now too munged up with solder to attempt a press fit.

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You might try this
http://store.qu-bd.com/product.php?id_product=23
It would give you some distance from the hot end to keep the solder joints from failing.

SD2 - Glass Bed, Fans on PCB and Y motor, Custom enclosure
Slicer - Simplify3D

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Thanks.

If I decide to discard the Solidoodle hot end, I will do it with a vengeance, not piecemeal.  I'm tired of both printers being down day after day after day, and not a single peep from Solidoodle's "support" team.  They sold me a defective part.  They do not seem to care.

I pulled the solder out of the crimp connector, inserted the wires from the heating resistor, and then crimped everything by squeezing the entire connector in a needle nosed pliers.  At this point, things are solid (although I did not have the courage to try to pull very hard).

We now understand why the wires lengths changed: they are using the leads from the power resistor to go directly into the connector.  This also may explain why the connection between the leads and the connector is not optimal.

Once you try to reassemble the hot end into the peek, the rectangular aluminum piece does not rotate around the threaded rod, because it is too big, and hits the front of the Y axis mounting piece.  This means that reassembly is very difficult, because you have to pre-load the aluminum block to the correct number of turns before you start reinserting the threaded rod in the peek. Very frustrating.  It would be easy to do if I dismounted everything from the carriage, but that involves a different kind of frustration.  The whole thing is a jig saw puzzle.

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I just got my J-head wired up, which uses a resistor the same way.  I bent the leads at right angles a couple of times to make them point up, but set apart from the PEEK.  Then I cut them shorter and soldered a bit of wire to the leads and then put a connector on the wire.   I wrapped the block in Kapton, cut a hole for the resistor, put it in with thermal grease, then wrapped it in Kapton again. I've also seen a recommendation to use aluminum foil around the resistor to make it fit snugly.

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Good luck with the solder.  Have you tested this approach yet?  It failed for me, repeatedly. Aluminum foil around the resistor sounds like a good idea, to get it snug.  I don't have any kapton tape, else the printer would be covered in it.

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I am wondering why no one is using crimp connectors between the resistor leads and the connector wire?  They will work much better at temperature and if the connectors are again taped (or somehow fixed) to the extruder (strain relief) will not be subject to any force that might pull them apart.

Something like this would work well I would think:
http://www.amazon.com/Non-Insulated-But … uto_text_y

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I was following the instructions for the Tantillus, which recommends crimps between the leads and wires.  I used solder, shrink wrap and a prayer since it was midnight and I didn't have the right kind of crimps.  I'll pick some up to have on hand if the solder fails.   I've only extruder so far, not printed so we'll see how it goes.

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Mine failed during heatup, so if you've managed to extrude something, you're well past where mine failed.

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Well, that new hot end is now really dead.  The heating resistor, which is supposed to read about 5 ohms, now is reading over 30 ohms.  Maybe it burned. Who knows.  Swapping to the second new hot end.  Perhaps it will last more than 24 hours.

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I swapped out the first (dead [high resistance]) new Solidoodle hot end, and put the second new Solidoodle hot end in its place.  It printed for about 3 hours before clogging solidly. This time, the temperature is still fine (200), but I cannot get anything to extrude: I just dig a divot into the filament.

At this point I am at a loss.  Two new hot ends, each of which died (for different reasons) within hours.  I can order a J-Head when they become available.  I have a 12 V heater on order (which I could use to replace the dead resistor in the first hot end).  But all of this just seems totally unreliable, erratic, unpredictable.

Anyone have some advice?

Solidoodle: are you reading any of this?!?

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jon_bondy wrote:

This time, the temperature is still fine (200)

What if its not? What if the probe is reporting higher temps, wouldn't that clog everything up since the abs isn't hot enough to fully melt?

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My Jhead from hotends.com is working really well.  The first print I did (filastruder funnel) seemed to have a slightly smoother finish at .3mm than the makergear hotend.   It also heats to 220 in about a minute and keeps a steady temp.  I don't know if its the hotend or thermistor table, but it doesn't overshoot when changing temperatures like the old one did.  It settles on a set temp much quicker.

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Shabby: the indicated temperature was rock steady at 200 from the start of the print through the failure, so this is not the problem.

shabby wrote:
jon_bondy wrote:

This time, the temperature is still fine (200)

What if its not? What if the probe is reporting higher temps, wouldn't that clog everything up since the abs isn't hot enough to fully melt?

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I'm looking forward to the JHeads.  When I switched from the old Solidoodle hot ends to the new ones, I was given information about how to tell the controller to recalibrate the thermal characteristics of the new hot end.  Before the calibration, the temperatures were all over the place, oscillating plus and minus 15 C; after the recalibration, it snaps to the temperature line.

IanJohnson wrote:

My Jhead from hotends.com is working really well.  The first print I did (filastruder funnel) seemed to have a slightly smoother finish at .3mm than the makergear hotend.   It also heats to 220 in about a minute and keeps a steady temp.  I don't know if its the hotend or thermistor table, but it doesn't overshoot when changing temperatures like the old one did.  It settles on a set temp much quicker.

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IanJohnson wrote:

My Jhead from hotends.com is working really well.  The first print I did (filastruder funnel) seemed to have a slightly smoother finish at .3mm than the makergear hotend.   It also heats to 220 in about a minute and keeps a steady temp.  I don't know if its the hotend or thermistor table, but it doesn't overshoot when changing temperatures like the old one did.  It settles on a set temp much quicker.

Which temp table are you using?

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I think it was 5.  I didn't need to recalibrate the PID, it works out of the box.

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Ahhhhh. You are using the I jhead thermistor?

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Yes, I didn't want to cannibalize my other hotend in case there was a problem.

The melt zone on this one is definately shorter.  When I back the filament out, it takes a lot more reverses to get it clear.

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http://www.soliforum.com/post/8313/#p8313

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jon_bondy wrote:

When the hot end gets to 160 C, the solder joint fails. I assume that the hot end is getting hot enough to melt the solder.  So, once again, I am screwed.  The connector is now too munged up with solder to attempt a press fit.

linesman splice...

make the connection mechanical as well as electrical.

I realised this was the problem when my hot end failed, simply because of where it failed, (the solder joint at the hot end)

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If I could have made the connection physically, I would not have needed to solder it! <grin>

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I received two new hot ends from Solidoodle over the weekend.  I do not yet know whether they work because ... because ... they are now using connectors that do not fit into either the original connectors or even the new wire pairs that they sent with the hot ends.  I guess they did not test these things at all.  I took my trusty XActo knife and clipped the two "teeth" off of the connectors, and then they worked.

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Do the new connectors seem better in any way?  Those connections have always been a weak point, so it is good that they are trying to improve it.  Makes a nightmare for replacement parts however, you have to make sure you are getting the right connector for your version of the printer.