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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

Thanks. When I hit home now, it doesnt crash into the sides. I tried switching the z motor with the y stepper, it moves, but only up. I cant get it to go back down.

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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

Quick guess if Z is plugged into X and your x carriage is against your end stop z will only move one way.  Plug z into z and adjust your VREF on that driver by turning it clockwise about 1/8.

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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

Okay. I would need some guidance for that as I have not worked with vref before. Any explanation or links to check out? I am still fairly new at all this. Thank you for being patient and the guidance.

29 (edited by wardjr 2014-11-11 19:18:37)

Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

using a non metallic screwdriver turn this screw 1/16 to an 1/8 turn.  You can't hurt anything by turning too much but it really should only take a little bit.
Actually its the one just above the one I have marked.
http://i.imgur.com/0Hhs7Gg.jpg?1

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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

Okay. I was able to turn the screw, but still nothing. Placed the z back in its place as well.

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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

At this point (assuming you have vertical clearance between the E3D nozzle and the bed so it won't crash), what is the Log report if you click the "home all" button and then enter the M119 command?

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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

IronMan wrote:

At this point (assuming you have vertical clearance between the E3D nozzle and the bed so it won't crash), what is the Log report if you click the "home all" button and then enter the M119 command?

+1
Also I have had stepper drivers be far enough out of adjustment that they overheat and kick out making in near impossible to adjust.  So I would ask this next question knowing full well (for the benefit of others) that it has no real correlation to the actual voltage of the driver.  About where from stop (full CCW) to stop (full CW) do you have that set at?  You may want to (with power off) set it about half way in between and try again.

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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

When I click the home all button, only the extruder moves. Z home and any z commands do not work.

Completely CCW, the line points north west to south east. completely CW, North east to southwest. I have tried at both and nothing. I have tried with the line vertical and horizontal- nothing. tried a few in between- nothing hmm I am suppose to hit the reset button after each time I set it?

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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

nope just adjust it while your calling for motion on that axis.  This is a long shot but still needs to be adjusted properly.
You should try plugging that motor into one of the other axis drivers and see if you can get the motor to move. 
Is your endstop switch functioning properly?

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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

Can I adjust and command the z while still on? I was unplugging, adjusting, and then plugging it back in. The endstops are working fine now. The extruder homes nicely and no crashing. Right now the screw for the z endstop is not touching it though. I wanted to br sure the extruder wasnt hitting the bed.

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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

KWMarvel wrote:

Can I adjust and command the z while still on? I was unplugging, adjusting, and then plugging it back in. The endstops are working fine now. The extruder homes nicely and no crashing. Right now the screw for the z endstop is not touching it though. I wanted to br sure the extruder wasnt hitting the bed.

Yes, you can adjust the vref while commanding the Z action.

If possible, adjust the Z endstop screw down so it is touching the limit switch and when it's in that position, make sure you have enough clearance to the bed to avoid crashing it.  More clearance is better for now...once it's homing correctly, you can then adjust the Z screw back up.

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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

Still not working. I tried all possible positions. When I hit home all and then M119, I get :

19:47:18.808 : Reporting endstop status
19:47:18.808 : x_max: TRIGGERED
19:47:18.808 : y_max: TRIGGERED
19:47:18.808 : z_min: TRIGGERED

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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

So you turned the Z screw manually to contact the endstop switch?

Hate to sound repetitive to some other suggestions, but now would be the time to power down and switch the Z motor plug again with X or Y, and try to move the Z motor again.  If the motor turns, you probably have a bad stepper driver...

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39 (edited by KWMarvel 2014-11-13 01:30:13)

Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

IronMan wrote:

So you turned the Z screw manually to contact the endstop switch?

Hate to sound repetitive to some other suggestions, but now would be the time to power down and switch the Z motor plug again with X or Y, and try to move the Z motor again.  If the motor turns, you probably have a bad stepper driver...

Yes. I turned the z screw manually so that it hit the z endstop. then turned the vref at all possible angles and try to hit any of the z commands. I tried switching the Z to the x and y motor plugs, and no movement.

EDIT: Retried plugging the z into Y and X. Still moves only up.

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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

Give yourself enough Nozzle clearance (rotate the Z leadscrew manually if you have to) and then move the carriage away from the X and Y endstops...then will the motor move in both directions when hooked up to X or Y?

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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

Okay. I moved them all in the middle so that they were not hitting the end stops. Switched Z with the Y plug.The bed moves up AND down now. Extruder only moves left and right. Im guessing a bad Z wire?

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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

Well, it's not the motor!

OK...now plug (with power off) the X or Y motor into the Z driver on the board.  Then power up and use the Z manual control to try and move that motor...if it does not work, the Z driver is probably gone.

Sorry, but this is a long process of elimination!

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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

Switched the Y back in. Nothing with the manual Z controls. How do I go about replacing/fixing the Z driver?

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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

Un fortunately, I am not familiar with that board...someone else will need to weigh in here.  Looks like they are soldered in to the board.

It still seems very odd to me that simply modding up to the E3D caused this...you may wish to try adjusting that vref one last time while commanding the Z moves...

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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

If you've got a printrboard I believe the drivers on mine were soldered in. If you have 100% confirmed it is a bad driver (they aren't that common, from what I understand), then you're looking at a new board unless you have the skill to replace it yourself. From looking at my old board it looks like some fine soldering work.

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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

jagowilson wrote:

If you've got a printrboard I believe the drivers on mine were soldered in. If you have 100% confirmed it is a bad driver (they aren't that common, from what I understand), then you're looking at a new board unless you have the skill to replace it yourself. From looking at my old board it looks like some fine soldering work.

+1
If you have the Printrboard, and have astonishing soldering skills, you will want a new board. Sanguinololou, RUMBA, and RAMPS are all reliable boards and have been covered throughout the forum. Also, with those boards, if a driver ever fails, you can easily swap them out for a fresh/upgraded driver.

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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

Thank you all as well for helping me diagnose what is going on with the printer.

Are there any plug and play options for these boards that are not the standard solidoodle ones? I dont mind upgrading the firmware and stuff from the computer. It's just my soldering skills are not astonishing lol.
Anyone point me to a good board and the parts needed? Just looking at these boards looks daunting and I dont want to screw up another one.

48 (edited by IronMan 2014-11-13 16:26:53)

Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

I have experience with the RAMPS board...but I hear the RUMBA is a nice step up...

No boards are truly plug & play in that they all need a firmware flash to work, but that is pretty straightforward.  While you're at it, consider upgrading to a 1/32 stepper driver for the extruder...

EDIT:  Here is one link...very reputable:

http://www.reprapdiscount.com/6-electronics#/page-2

and another...great service:
http://www.makergeeks.com/nsearch.html? … eks.com%2F

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49 (edited by jagowilson 2014-11-13 18:31:40)

Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

Love the RUMBA, but none of the stock molex connectors are gonna fit it. There are screw terminals where you need it if you're fine with stripping the wires in the printer. It just depends on how plug and play you want versus how much of an improvement you'll see in quality. You won't regret the work you put into installing a RUMBA with DRV8825 drivers. But the most important thing you do at this point is, if you need a motherboard, don't waste your time or money with anything that won't give you 1/32 microstepping. I never would've guessed how much robust drivers on the extruder alone can improve results, but get It on all axes if you can.

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Re: Solidoodle 3 bed heats up, but doesn't move.

OK. I will go ahead and order the Rumba Motherboard.

This one: http://www.reprapdiscount.com/electroni … oard.html#

and the stepper driver: http://www.reprapdiscount.com/electroni … iver.html#

Now are there tutorials to set these up and get the driver installed on the RUMBA?