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Re: Y-axis belt slipping

So I don't take over the other thread about the replacement carriages...

I am still getting Y-axis shift even adjusting VREF, with fan pointing at board (tiny 3 inch fan), realigning etc.

Seems it can go a prints without skipping after I re-adjust everything and the it starts creeping back. Objects that take up less of the bed seem far less likely to skip.

Right now my skipping is miniminal (when it happens) but enough that is displaces the print once or twice midway and is driving me nuts.

Reading the top of the thread, I haven't yet taken the carriages off and cleaned them with soap and water. Not sure how I missed that. Well I guess I should try that next.

Tammy
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52 (edited by LdyMox 2014-08-05 12:33:32)

Re: Y-axis belt slipping

I thought I had maybe fixed my Y-axis shift but the problem returns. I carefully cleaned off any old greese, gressed and recalibriated. Seems my Y-shift went away for 3-4 prints but it returns again. And the one last night was not that intense either, was only an hour and a half print at normal speeds and Y-axis skipped about 2 times just enough to ruin the print (not the filiment fault). I guess I can try to re do it and hope I just missed something. This Y-axis shift is getting really annoying as I lose every 4th print and have to recalibrate every 4th print.

Tammy
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53

Re: Y-axis belt slipping

After months of fighting the Y-Axis shift seems I have given up and my 3D printer has sat cold and alone for a week. Hopefully I'll eventually get the patience to try more stuff.

Tammy
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54

Re: Y-axis belt slipping

LdyMox wrote:

After months of fighting the Y-Axis shift seems I have given up and my 3D printer has sat cold and alone for a week. Hopefully I'll eventually get the patience to try more stuff.

I can only assume this post means your close to hopping back on the saddle to give it another go?

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I guess not quite yet. But I am on my second acylic painting so I am making use the the extra time hehe

Tammy
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56

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I played with my 3D printer this weekend. No luck. I have pretty much tried everything I could muster with the help of wardjr (without major mods). I am starting to think whatever the problem is not fixable or something.  I suppose I'll have to get to trying the finsihing line mod if I can muster the desire.

At this point and 3 months of struggle on the same problem I am starting to wonder if it worth the time. I've even begun to consider selling my 3D printer, but not really worth it since a SD2 isn't worth much, but I could probbaly sell the many rolls of filiment for more then the printer. This thought will likley pass but I feel meh know about it at the moment.

Tammy
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57

Re: Y-axis belt slipping

I know you've adjusted the belt tension already, but with the power off, how do X & Y move by hand?  Are they comparable in how they feel?

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I forgot to answer this one. lol. I'll have to check. I think something mechnical has to be happening but for the life of me I can't seem to narrow it down to what. Wardjr has had me trying so many things but none seem to work longterm if at all.

Tammy
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59

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LdyMox wrote:

I forgot to answer this one. lol. I'll have to check. I think something mechnical has to be happening but for the life of me I can't seem to narrow it down to what. Wardjr has had me trying so many things but none seem to work longterm if at all.

That guy doesn't know what he's talking about wink

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60

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Currently (ok maybe as in the last 4 months) it seems my printer will print reasonable well and then shift. Yesterday I heard like a thump or grinding noise and then half way through the print and then it continued but shifted on the Y axis. It didn't seem to be a filament tangle or anything obvious.  I have lubed everything I can find so I am confused. When I check the sliding when the machine off, it seems ok as I can tell.

Tammy
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61 (edited by IronMan 2014-09-30 15:54:19)

Re: Y-axis belt slipping

I think you may have done this, but double check that the set screws on all of the Y-axis drive pulleys are tight...

Also, is the Y-shift always in the same direction?

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IronMan wrote:

I think you may have done this, but double check that the set screws on all of the Y-axis drive pulleys are tight...

Also, is the Y-shift always in the same direction?

+1 set screws get me all the time, too much fiddling I suppose!

Mox, your "thump or grinding noise" puts me onto the mechanical problem bandwagon (something like filament feed as you've already suspected). Is there any way perhaps the cables to the extruder are getting caught on anything?

If this was me at this point I'd be videotaping a good angle from the top of the printer (with sound) for every print I did until it skipped again, and finding the exact moment it happened (like the pitch drop experiment) so I could go over it frame-by-frame in excruciating detail (and also post it on the forum hehe).

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I really like the video idea, at this point I have used up all my thoughts.  For all the side emails I doubt it could be a set screw as this thing has been calibrated more than once through this process.  I also support the thought that something is catching/binding or snagging.  Even though we've covered those things already it won't hurt to double check.

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Mox, have you narrowed down anything further to the Y-shift issue?

I had a thought...if I'm not mistaken you upgraded your extruder stepper driver to a 1/32...do you still have the old 1/16 that you can swap into the Y axis to check that out?

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I though I had it fixed maybe. Managed to get through an hour print without an issue. But then the next print it returned horribaly. I suppose I should try the fishing line thing but I havent been able to print so long it went out of my mind and I'm considering packing it away selling any filiment I can and just waiting till I can afford a new printer. I don't mind tinkering with the printer but after countless hours of tinkering and dollars trying to fix it I am probably giving up. I just don't find fun in spending a week+ adjusting it to get a single hour print and if even that as it is getting worst in the amount I need to adjust to get anything to print right. 

I do have some 1/16 sitting about. But would the extruder stepper driver mess up the Y-axis?

Tammy
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66 (edited by IronMan 2014-10-10 14:25:10)

Re: Y-axis belt slipping

Just a thought since you seemed to have tried everything else under the Sun! smile

EDIT:  Make sure you power down completely before switching drivers!

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What about the box that is on the lefthand side that attaches to the small belt. I don't know what it is called but it seems to move the smaller belt to move the Y-axis. It seems electrical and/or mechnical. Could that be bad? Where can I get a new one?

Tammy
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68

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Hey Tammy,
Sorry to here you are so frustrated.  You know we are all here to help so let us know what you need.
If it helps I would be willing to lend you my other SD3 if you cover the shipping both ways.  I'd even take the time to toss on some fishing line just so you can see how that works.  If that does anything for you... you have my email.
My point is that I think it is a bad idea to sell all your stuff as you have worked so hard to get to this point.

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69 (edited by LdyMox 2014-10-10 14:36:23)

Re: Y-axis belt slipping

Thanks. Naw, I don't want to leech off for the 3D printing. But could the issue be a bad maybe it's called stepper motor? You know the little black box to the left that has a rod that moves the small belt? That is something I have not replaced.

I can say my shifting is almost always backwards, like it has a filiment bind but it don't have one.  I even of late resecured any lose wires to make sure it was not snagging.

Tammy
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LdyMox wrote:

Thanks. Naw, I don't want to leech off for the 3D printing. But could the issue be a bad maybe it's called stepper motor? You know the little black box to the left that has a rod that moves the small belt? That is something I have not replaced.

I can say my shifting is almost always backwards, like it has a filiment bind but it don't have one.  I even of late resecured any lose wires to make sure it was not snagging.

Yes...Stepper Motor.  I think I've got a spare one of those hanging around.  I'll check tonite to make sure it will fit and send it to you if you want...

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One thing else I have noticed is that the little screws that hold on the belts to the carriages seems kind of lose. They have a washer attached to them, but I am not sure they are supposed to be that way and they are in so hard to reach I am not sure I could tighten them if I tried. lol

Tammy
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72

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Those may seem loose but I think  they are fine as long as the belts are snug.
Take Ironman up on his offer what do you have to loose?

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73 (edited by wardjr 2014-10-10 14:53:45)

Re: Y-axis belt slipping

Do you know how many used printers I have bought from frustrated users that finally threw in the towel? 
Never has one of those been something that I couldn't fix usually within an hour of receiving them.  Don't become one of those people.

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wardjr wrote:

Don't become one of those people.

Yes, especially considering the very nice items you create!

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I have after much(days) adjusting got my printer to print 3 items without a shift but I can't directly attribute why it is at least temp working. Whatever it is seems to have to be "just so". In the past months even when I got it working, it lasts a few prints and then start shifting again, so I am limiting what I print to things I really need. It's a shame, but at least I have it working sortof for emergency items.

Tammy
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