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Topic: Who knew??? Canola oil, better then lithium grease!

I had a project that I needed some lithium grease for, but had none on hand, so I googled plastic safe lubricants.  Apparently canola oil is a plastic safe lubricant, at least I am 95 % sure it is.  I had it on hand, and the huge unseen benefits besides infinite supply always available in my home... it allows for much thinner/lower viscosity coating of your bearing surfaces.  Essentially translates to making my parts move more freely then using lithium grease, and not as messy(at least for me.)

Anyhow I was regreasing my SD3 XY carriage rods today, and it made them even smoother then my standard grease I use.

I'd suggest canola oil is the superior lubricant for the carriage rods compared to lithium or other plastic safe greases.  I still wouldn't use it on my 5/16 threaded Z rod.  don't really want to have oil dripping into my stepper... although probably wouldn't hurt a darn thing.  But still...

Anyhow just wanted to share the find, here is an article about using it as an alternative for expensive paper shredder oil (didn't know there was such a thing as paper shredder oil, turns out it's just re-bottled canola oil). A wonderful oil we cook, and can apparently grease our toys with. 

http://lifehacker.com/5875771/oil-your- … -top-shape

2 (edited by ysb 2014-02-06 19:27:03)

Re: Who knew??? Canola oil, better then lithium grease!

The problem with vegetable oil is the smell when it will start to go rancid.... no ?

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I don't understand the need for more lubrication - I have 750 hours on my SD without adding lubrication?

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Re: Who knew??? Canola oil, better then lithium grease!

elmoret wrote:

I don't understand the need for more lubrication - I have 750 hours on my SD without adding lubrication?

+1
Lubrication seems more necessary for those that don't have things properly calibrated and moving smoothly.

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5 (edited by Tomek 2014-02-06 23:01:01)

Re: Who knew??? Canola oil, better then lithium grease!

A lot of oils are better than grease, but grease has some benefits in thickness.


I am almost certain a good bike lube would be as good if not better than canola, and not go rancid smile.


I use a wet non-stick longboard bearing lube for most parts on SD, just because I have it, and lithium grease for the z-axis because I want to make sure it stays and hope it might minutely decrease sound.


The most important thing for lube on these machines is probably because the rods will rust if they don't have it smile.

6 (edited by pastprimitive 2014-02-06 23:22:44)

Re: Who knew??? Canola oil, better then lithium grease!

Never noticed any rancid smells in my other applications I have used it.  Also my SD is calibrated to rediculous levels of precision.  I tension my belts using a system I developed with a digital pocket scale that is capable of .1 grams +/- accuracy.  In other words my y axis belts are so identical it's not funny, and the HDPE block adjustments I use a c clamp that allows me to dial in the pressure they exert to a very specific no-wiggle, but silky smooth glide... Anyhow point being I don't use lube because of lack of calibration.

I've noticed some like to add copious amounts of grease/lube when they use it thinking the more the merrier.  Unfortunately, and especially with grease, low torque, high precision applications (solidoodle definitely being low torque relatively speaking) grease can cause some serious issues.  But of course the Z axis is not low torque since it's less about speed and more about precise movement, hence I am all about the z-axis being all greased up, and does seem to help with noise.  Anyway my point was that in most lubing applications I tend to be as light as possible, too much low viscosity oil based lubes are a dust trap that is not terribly desirable. 

So lubing the x and y carriage rods just really decreases friction, and helps put less strain, on motors and components.  Like a car it's just going to help extend the lifespan of your system. I admit it may just be the overly meticulous/cautious side of me.  But there is something about an ultra silky smooth no wiggle x and y axis that make me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside, even if it's not required. But I think even if there is no wear benefit I think it would help reduce jerkyness when the axises change direction during a print.

7 (edited by pastprimitive 2014-02-06 23:27:18)

Re: Who knew??? Canola oil, better then lithium grease!

Oh, also I don't think there is much concern with the canola oil going rancid, I clean and re lube my X and y carriage rods every few months. Canola has a shelf life of about a year.  If you love your SD like I do you can't resist the urge to pet it every few months with a good cleaning and re-lubing.

My CNC router, mill, lathe all work so much better with regular maintenance like that.

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Re: Who knew??? Canola oil, better then lithium grease!

I agree with you that going rancid is not an issue and in no way would I suggest not lubricating.  I have seen instances where there is so much grease on everything that it is a huge mess.  I just bought a used SD recently that the guy sold because it wouldn't make even sort of a circle big_smile  That thing had so much grease on it I couldn't believe it.  Once I cleaned everything and spent a little time calibrating and adjusting it worked perfectly.  FWIW I use LPS 3 I have never had any problems with the plastic degrading.  Just spray a little on a rag and wipe the rods.  I only do this if it is needed.

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3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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That's an awesome buy! I picked up a kitchen aid heavy duty mixer for free because an acquaintance was going to throw it away because the motor turned on, but mixer wouldn't move.  2 hours of work, $30 for a new gear and it was brand new again.  It pays to know how to love on a machine;)

I would use something fancier, but I never seem to be able to remember to buy things like that.  But I always remember food supplies.

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Re: Who knew??? Canola oil, better then lithium grease!

pastprimitive wrote:

That's an awesome buy! I picked up a kitchen aid heavy duty mixer for free because an acquaintance was going to throw it away because the motor turned on, but mixer wouldn't move.  2 hours of work, $30 for a new gear and it was brand new again.  It pays to know how to love on a machine;)

I would use something fancier, but I never seem to be able to remember to buy things like that.  But I always remember food supplies.

Kind of like when I suggest to Noobs to use Saran Wrap for a temp enclosure.... It's in the drawer next to the stove big_smile

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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Re: Who knew??? Canola oil, better then lithium grease!

pretty much