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Topic: Solidoodle stock rods not useable with linear bearings

I finally decided to take the printer apart so I can updgrade to the Lawsy carriage ends and my new extruder. I had previously ordered some smooth chromed rods and the linear bearings I have move smoothly on those rods, but when I tried to slip them on the Solidoodle stock shafts, they are so tight, that they almost have to be forced to slide.

Has anyone else found the stock rods to be unusable with linear bearings?

I also made a pillow block for the 6mm connector rod at the back, but when I tried to put the 6mm bearings on the shaft, they won't fit either.

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Re: Solidoodle stock rods not useable with linear bearings

I'm using the stock ones and yes they were stupid hard to put on but after I forced them around a little the slide pretty good.  But I still want to upgrade them to smoother ones

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Dunno about 6mm rod, but 8mm were slightly thicker than nominal. Replaced anyway.

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The 6mm ABEC-5 bearings I acquired were exactly the same size (within 0.00005" anyway) as the 6mm rod in our SD3.  Which means they did not slide onto the shaft without some lubrication and significant persuasion from (as my Brit friends say) a "drift of suitable size."

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I ordered 8 mm polished stainless rods and new bearings and even those seem tight.  That being said there isn't any play in the system and it prints just fine.  I did (out of curiosity) try the bearings on the stock rods and they really didn't fit.

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Is there a wiki page with rod lengths for the SD3?  Looking to replace mine as well with Lawsy's mods and having a heck of a time finding it.

Thanks!

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7 (edited by wardjr 2014-01-09 17:23:21)

Re: Solidoodle stock rods not useable with linear bearings

mloebl wrote:

Is there a wiki page with rod lengths for the SD3?  Looking to replace mine as well with Lawsy's mods and having a heck of a time finding it.

Thanks!

I don't know if there is a page that list the lengths but they are basically 13.25" long.  I cut mine at 12.75" and they are a bit short but work just fine.  I was trying to keep the mass as low as possible.

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mloebl wrote:

Is there a wiki page with rod lengths for the SD3?  Looking to replace mine as well with Lawsy's mods and having a heck of a time finding it.

Thanks!

I measured mine, and the "Y" rods are 14", while the "X" (carriage) rods are 13".  The 6mm interconnecting rod is 14.125".

BTW, I ended up buying hardened chrome rods, which all around (except for the "Z" rods).

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Re: Solidoodle stock rods not useable with linear bearings

Thanks guys!

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pirvan wrote:
mloebl wrote:

Is there a wiki page with rod lengths for the SD3?  Looking to replace mine as well with Lawsy's mods and having a heck of a time finding it.

Thanks!

I measured mine, and the "Y" rods are 14", while the "X" (carriage) rods are 13".  The 6mm interconnecting rod is 14.125".

BTW, I ended up buying hardened chrome rods, which all around (except for the "Z" rods).


Where did you end up sourcing your rods?  I see Amazon has a couple but not all sad

Thank you!

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Re: Solidoodle stock rods not useable with linear bearings

I got mine from Amazon but I didn't replace the 6mm interconnecting rod nor do I see any reason to.  Nothing has to slide on it.

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wardjr wrote:

I got mine from Amazon but I didn't replace the 6mm interconnecting rod nor do I see any reason to.  Nothing has to slide on it.

I got mine from fleaBay.  The 13" 8mm rods I already had, but I couldn't find any 14" rods so I bought some that are almost 20" long (500mm), and I'll cut them down to size when I get them.  Here is the link for 8mm rods. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330983574297?ss … 1423.l2649

That's 6 rods, 8mm x 500mm, hard chromed.  This is probably the bang for the buck, as long as you are willing to cut them down to length, which is a very simple job, provided you have a Dremel tool.

As for the 6mm, I'm putting a pillow block on it to reduce flex, so the 6mm bearings wouldn't fit.  I found a set here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-x-6mm-Shaft-3 … 27d4f05620

or here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/480mm-Long-6mm- … 1e7ff3d9de

They too will have to be cut down slightly.

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Re: Solidoodle stock rods not useable with linear bearings

I've bought the Ebay ones before. They came bent.

If your in the states, I would suggest getting rods from McMaster Carr:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#hardened-shafts/=q6hqcm

They have always shipped nice and straight. And they cost the same after shipping comes into play.

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Re: Solidoodle stock rods not useable with linear bearings

I got the McMaster Hardened shafts for another project. I can say that they work much better with the same LM8UU bearings than the stock rods.

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Hazer wrote:

I've bought the Ebay ones before. They came bent.

If your in the states, I would suggest getting rods from McMaster Carr:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#hardened-shafts/=q6hqcm

They have always shipped nice and straight. And they cost the same after shipping comes into play.

I  suppose you had some bad luck.  I've had rods and ball screws and other precision hardware shipped from China, Korea and the States, and in every case I got pristine product.

The 8mm rods I pointed to, are actually shipped from New Hamphire.  The vendor specializes in 3D printer specific items (bearings, rods, belts, gears, etc).

I also ordered stuff from McMasterCarr (there's a store only 10 minutes from where I work), but the problem is they price (and availability).  First they don't really have any chromed rods, and their stainless steel rods are expensive.  A 8mm x 400mm rod is $25.

The rods I got were $54 shipped ($9 each).

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pirvan wrote:

The 8mm rods I pointed to, are actually shipped from New Hamphire.  The vendor specializes in 3D printer specific items (bearings, rods, belts, gears, etc).

Wow thanks for the tip on this one, they are literally the next town over from me... all of a 5min drive.

-Mike

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Re: Solidoodle stock rods not useable with linear bearings

@ pirvan im about to scoop up the 4 pieces of that chrome rod, you sure a dremmel will cut it? Cause a dremmel is all i have lol...

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MolecularConcept wrote:

@ pirvan im about to scoop up the 4 pieces of that chrome rod, you sure a dremmel will cut it? Cause a dremmel is all i have lol...

Buy a cheap hacksaw it will work fine.

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Yeah why didnt i think of that lol. I guess i assumed it was to hard or somethig. Its not super steel like my knives so your right  hacksaw should make quick work of the rods

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MolecularConcept wrote:

Yeah why didnt i think of that lol. I guess i assumed it was to hard or somethig. Its not super steel like my knives so your right  hacksaw should make quick work of the rods

Ditto, was also wondering how to cut it smile

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21 (edited by wardjr 2014-01-10 02:34:18)

Re: Solidoodle stock rods not useable with linear bearings

I bought stainless and they cut fine with a hacksaw.  SS gets harder as it gets hot so cutting is easier than grinding as long as you take it slow.  As far as chrome goes it won't matter.

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Re: Solidoodle stock rods not useable with linear bearings

my bearings also sucked on the stock rods.  I bought a 6' precision hardened shaft from McMaster and cut it down by spinning it in a drill and simultaneously cutting into it with a dremel cutting wheel.  New shafts are like butter compared to stock.

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MolecularConcept wrote:

@ pirvan im about to scoop up the 4 pieces of that chrome rod, you sure a dremmel will cut it? Cause a dremmel is all i have lol...

A hardened rod will dull a hacksaw. A Dremel and a cutoff wheel will cut anything short of alumina or diamonds.  Dremels rule.

Go slow.  Wear glasses.

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I haven't asked what they charge, but I've seen several waterjet cutting places in the yellow pages around here, that might be another way to get them cut if there is a waterjet place near your location.

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Re: Solidoodle stock rods not useable with linear bearings

rickq wrote:
MolecularConcept wrote:

@ pirvan im about to scoop up the 4 pieces of that chrome rod, you sure a dremmel will cut it? Cause a dremmel is all i have lol...

A hardened rod will dull a hacksaw. A Dremel and a cutoff wheel will cut anything short of alumina or diamonds.  Dremels rule.

Go slow.  Wear glasses.

Anything will dull a hacksaw it's just a matter of how quickly big_smile

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