1 (edited by Stevos758 2013-11-22 02:37:39)

Topic: My quest to build a solidoodle 3 "airtight" Case!

I have the parts listed below on the way or in hand. My plan is to build an air tight enclosure with a carbon exhaust filter. My wife has recently become pregnant and I don't want to take any chances with stray fumes.

4x8 sheet of fine birch plywood.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0067D7DEA/ref … 25410_item - Carbon filter
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009JZSKO/ref … 25410_item - 80MM exhaust fans
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000AYHZHM/ref … 25410_item - door hinge
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0006N40CK/ref … 25410_item - flush mount handles

Now. While I await all of my parts I have some questions.

Power supply... I plan on upgading the the QU-BD heated bed and need a 12V 15A supply for that upgrade alone. I also want top add 2 40mm fans to cool my control board, 2x 80mm fans for exhaust, 1x 30mm fan for the extruder, and LED strip lighting.

Will the 15A be enough for all of that? Do I have enough extra pins to power the fans? Also how do I hook them all up to the board. Right now I am running my E3D fan off of a seperate power supply.

Pics and tutorial to come!

TEST PHASE ALPHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://i.imgur.com/rbd2nUV.jpg

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Congrats!

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:43992

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HAHAHA! Thanks!

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Re: My quest to build a solidoodle 3 "airtight" Case!

Or maybe: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:166802

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Pretty sure youre going to need to upgrade the power supply.
I went with
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009EI … &psc=1
I have it and the Qu-Bd heater ready to go to use with lawsy bed adaptor for it, just haven't gotten to it yet.

SD2 - Glass Bed, Fans on PCB and Y motor, Custom enclosure
Slicer - Simplify3D

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you'll need 20A at least, most of us just go to the 25+ for added margin and keeping the PSU off of its max limits longer.

re  the fans - I wouldn't run any of them via the control board... you basically want them on all the time anyway that the printer is on, so just wire them directly into the 12V power supply. Otherwise, if you really really want to G-code control them for whatever reason, then you'll need a bunch of MOSFETs and to hack away at the firmware yourself to setup fan pins. Personally, I'd just wire them to the 12v supply and move on to the other tasks smile

I'd also forget the 2x40 - waste of fans and space... a single 50mm more than saturates the board with air.

7 (edited by Stevos758 2013-11-07 22:42:22)

Re: My quest to build a solidoodle 3 "airtight" Case!

adrian wrote:

you'll need 20A at least, most of us just go to the 25+ for added margin and keeping the PSU off of its max limits longer.

re  the fans - I wouldn't run any of them via the control board... you basically want them on all the time anyway that the printer is on, so just wire them directly into the 12V power supply. Otherwise, if you really really want to G-code control them for whatever reason, then you'll need a bunch of MOSFETs and to hack away at the firmware yourself to setup fan pins. Personally, I'd just wire them to the 12v supply and move on to the other tasks smile

I'd also forget the 2x40 - waste of fans and space... a single 50mm more than saturates the board with air.

I already have the 40mm so I am stuck with that.

Will the upgraded power supply be a concern for the 12v fans. Will it not burn them out at higher than rated amps or do they only use the needed power to run from the power supply.

What power supply do you recommend.

I am going to cut wood withing the hour! Pics will be taken.

8 (edited by Tomek 2013-11-08 00:42:41)

Re: My quest to build a solidoodle 3 "airtight" Case!

Yeah, the fans will only draw what they need for a given voltage power supply.

classic electricity water analogy:

Think of current as the volume of the river, and voltage the ferocity of the river.  In this case the power supply is the source of water to the river.  The fans will respond to a given ferocity of the river, to require a certain amount of water, but they won't require any more or less just because the supply source to the river is bigger. And in general things don't break in the river unless the river's ferocity [i.e, voltage] is greater than they can tolerate. 

Ok, it must not be too perfect or useful of an analogy as I presented, I just wasn't sure exactly what to say smile.

9 (edited by adrian 2013-11-08 00:59:34)

Re: My quest to build a solidoodle 3 "airtight" Case!

I prefer the simpler functional description, which suffices for conversation and explanation but is technically not the full picture... which is:

"Voltage is supplied, Current is drawn".

Therefore, the voltage must always match or be concious of 'over supply'. Current is drawn 'as required', and therefore, merly needs to be higher than the total sum of requirements. (i.e, a 10A PSU allows a draw of 1A, but a 10A PSU will not allow draw of 20A) .... Back to the water analogy, the other way to think of it is, Voltage is the Speed of the water, and Current is the relative pressure.

Anyway, we digress smile

As for the PSU - there is plenty of threads on what to use. The cheap end is the Dell Server 500W+ supplies for ~$12 on ebay, or you can get a 25A 'brick' from MeanWell that looks identical to the SD OEM PSU for ~$50. Depends on what you want to spend....

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http://images19.fotki.com/v1612/photos/5/2177835/11178721/2013110719_24_51-vi.jpg
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http://images53.fotki.com/v1500/photos/5/2177835/11178721/2013110720_53_17-vi.jpg
http://images41.fotki.com/v195/photos/5/2177835/11178721/2013110720_40_05-vi.jpg





Ran out of wood and I need a jigsaw.....

Will continue.

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Woodworking makes me happy. smile

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Looks good! Bigger PSU the better. Id get a 30amp to expand in future.

13 (edited by Stevos758 2013-11-08 13:54:56)

Re: My quest to build a solidoodle 3 "airtight" Case!

Hows this? http://www.amazon.com/SUPERNIGHT-Univer … wer+supply

Or should  I go for this http://www.amazon.com/Meanwell-Switchin … ll+12+Volt

Will it get to hot being in the enclosure?

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Re: My quest to build a solidoodle 3 "airtight" Case!

yes it'll get too hot - you stick it outside the enclosure just like the current one is some distance from the printer.

You can print a plastic enclosure though for the PSU to make it just like the SD one - so its quite safe.

As for which one - I know its more expensive, but you can't ever question the quality of genuine meanwell PSU's. You kind of get what you pay for still in a PSU.. less voltage ripple, better load qualities, more reliable and longer lasting capacitors inside so it doesn't prematurely die... etc..

But its not my wallet wink

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Purchasing the meanwell when I pick out some LED's

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Are these LED's any good or cheap junk? I just need a few to keep the box lit up inside.
http://www.amazon.com/SUPERNIGHT-Waterp … =white+led

17 (edited by adrian 2013-11-08 14:22:37)

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yeah, they'll perform the function as described fine smile

Be careful though, they do draw a reasonable amount of current.. from memory, it was about 1.5A a meter... (~3 foot)

Worst case, you run those leds from the existing SD power supply... if you have more than a couple of meters...

(just being concious here of say ~11A for heated bed, ~4.5A for motors, ~2A for Hotend, then all the fans you want to run (say ~1A +/- depending on those 120mm's (they can be 400ma+ themselves)..)

The meanwell can do all the above, but then you don't have a heap of room spare (I wouldn't want to run it constantly at say more than 22A to ensure prolonged life...)

Consider splitting fans and lights onto the old SD supply, keep the meanwell clean for the printer itself if you have lots of feet of LEDs

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Excellent. Should I get some sort of power strip to run all of the LED's and fans off of?

Something like this? (Only an example. I would find something nice and beefy.)
http://www.amazon.com/DSC-TB01-Terminal … inal+block

19 (edited by adrian 2013-11-08 14:26:53)

Re: My quest to build a solidoodle 3 "airtight" Case!

I guess it makes it easier. Although it doesn't need to be that beefy on the individual outputs, as they are all going to be 500ma or less... but you still will want to use 16-18Gauge wire to it to be sure.

I personally do what I describe (power fans+leds from PSU directly) just using a small 'header strip' to distribute the power to about 8-10 simple 2 pin PCB headers on a small 'vero strip' board from RadioShack if that gives you any context. This is true for a short 500ma LED run though - to run more than a few feet of LED, those WILL want decent wire (say 18-20gauge at least).

If you look in my RAMPS how-to you'll see it there next to the RAMPS board

20 (edited by Stevos758 2013-11-08 14:38:43)

Re: My quest to build a solidoodle 3 "airtight" Case!

So this.
http://www.amazon.com/Prototype-Univers … =veroboard

and something like this
http://www.amazon.com/Gino-Poles-Screw- … inal+block

This
http://www.amazon.com/Single-Female-Hea … pin+header

and wire for the board connections between the power supply and terminals?

21 (edited by adrian 2013-11-08 14:44:21)

Re: My quest to build a solidoodle 3 "airtight" Case!

yup.

I tend to have actually used the male version of your last link, similar to http://www.amazon.com/2-45mm-Pitch-Posi … pd_cp_hi_3 because 95% of my fans and leds have female connectors already onthem in .1" pitch...

But in your case, I would guess that the screw terminals would be the best way all round for all connections - probably easiest way to deal with incoming power and the 120mm fans and led's etc... buy a 10 or 20 pack and that should sort you.

and then yes, wire... 16-18 (16 is needed for a single run, if you do multiple runs then 18 is fine) for the PSU->'stuff'

And then 18-20 for the LEDS
and everything else (fans et al) is fine 22-24 even.

22 (edited by adrian 2013-11-08 14:49:26)

Re: My quest to build a solidoodle 3 "airtight" Case!

^^ additional to above.. the 16 will be tough to get into those blue screw terminals... i'd maybe do multiple 18 runs to make it easier.

and note its all just my opinion - so do confirm/research what i'm stating to make sure you're comfortable you're on the right track big_smile

also as a thought - for the LED power - use two strips to connect between the power-in and out to the LED's... so there is more tracks carrying the current... by this I mean, solder in a blue screw terminal.. make a mess of the solder so it bridges the next track either side of the tracks that the terminals actually connect to, and then put the LED connectors in and do the same thing there so there is 2 complete tracks for + and - that is joined in a big solder blob at each terminal.

This is only relevant for the LED's , and again, if planning to have more than say 3 foot of them...

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Hmm. I think I am going to look into finding a pre built Terminal Bus Block.

I have some time to decide.

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Does a carbon filter remove all of the "poisons" or just the ones that have a smell, or just the smell?

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Activated charcoal/carbon can remove/absorb a good number of chemicals/smells and other compounds... but not all, here is a list of some things generic AC can bind with --->http://www.sentryair.com/activated-carbon-filter.htm That said it does not like to absorb glycols, bases, CO2 and quite a few other things especially inorganic compounds. There are specialty AC's that can be made to trap certain chemicals depending on the treatment/coating on the charcoal itself and how it is processed through it.