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Topic: How's the quality of support been lately?

We're trying to keep everyone honest here. Have you been getting good responses from the support team? What did you like? What didn't you like?

We're working to make things smoother.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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Re: How's the quality of support been lately?

How about  making shipping "smoother"? I ordered a bed heater on 10/9 that showed in stock,it's now 10/22 and it hasn't shipped yet.

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Tony Holmes wrote:

How about  making shipping "smoother"? I ordered a bed heater on 10/9 that showed in stock,it's now 10/22 and it hasn't shipped yet.

Read you loud and clear, although "support" doesn't control this. Was more asking about the quality of tech support.

Your particular order looks like it should be going out tomorrow. Crazy delay for a spare part, I agree.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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Ever since I downloaded MeshMixer 2.0 my support structures have been super high quality. Thanks for asking!


[sorry for my useless response]

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I'm not sure how it is now but in September I had nothing but bad support.

I was being answered by another agent every time we exchanged emails and,
they would completely divert the situation and, wouldn't read my email thoroughly.
I constantly had to repeat my self which I hate doing.

On all honesty definitely the worse support I've ever had

Powder coated steel enclosure, 1/4" Surface grounded hardened aluminum plate, MK2A Heat bed, .200 Polished fused quartz plate, Machined quick change hot bed mount, E3D hot end, Ramps 1.4, DRV8825 stepper motor drivers

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techbuilder2175 wrote:

I'm not sure how it is now but in September I had nothing but bad support.

I was being answered by another agent every time we exchanged emails and,
they would completely divert the situation and, wouldn't read my email thoroughly.
I constantly had to repeat my self which I hate doing.

On all honesty definitely the worse support I've ever had

This is largely because they refuse to use a ticketing system, and/or individual email addresses.

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they do not follow through with their e-mail support.
Do to my stupidity I broke the flex led and asked them if they would sell me a replacement length
they  wanted me to send them a picture of it working to see what was wrong with it.
the ^%^%$ wires are broke in 2 places so I want to replace it instead of splicing it. Since they did not reply with a price
I ORDERED IT else-ware.

Ultimaker S3.

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Have you been getting good responses from the support team?

   At first, yes. Within the first 24 hours of ownership, my SD3 had what is apparently a rare problem with wiring internal to the motor. Understandably, it took lots of drilling down and debugging to establish that as a problem because it is so rare, and totally not a any reflection on SD3 product quality (as they don't make the motors, and it was working for the first few hours of operation).

What did you like?

The initial round of emails was very responsive on a daily basis. I had high hopes that I'd have a replacement motor in hand soon.

What didn't you like?

I guess because the problem is likely not one they've encountered previously, they responded that they needed some time to figure out what to do. It's now been two weeks and I still haven't heard anything back; it's as though support been paralyzed by the problem instead of responding to it.

Basically, support started well, but it seems that it can take a turn for the worse. I'm not sure if it's just a disconnect between technical support and customer service, or if their pricing is so competitive that there isn't enough margin to provide adequate support even in the face of a clearly defined technical issue, or what. I do know that there is no official warranty, and they didn't indicate how long they would take to figure out what they would do about it, so I don't feel lied to or misled thus far. It just feels lacking; there is nothing actionable for me at this point and I'm just waiting for them to close the loop. Add in the fact that some debugging steps they asked me to do along the way could have been ruled out based on the symptoms (documented via video), which just added to my frustrations.

Overall, I'd say the support is quite good and responsive if it is a technical issue that can be fixed by following steps in their wiki or via email-based explanations. It is not so good if it either involves a problem they dont'see often, or involves replacement parts (I can't determine which of those (if not both) is the root of the support problem without additional data). Fortunately, it should be a tiny fraction of customers who fall into that bucket....It's just that I happen to be in it.

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I've had decent experiences with support.  I had a bad motherboard that was replaced in about a week and a half.  I had to call in though and give proof that the bad board was received.  SD said they couldn't find the board I sent in.  Only after UPS tracking showed that they signed for the package, they shipped out a new one which made me happy.

The biggest problem with SD support is responsiveness.  Why does it take so long to do things?  Orders should be shipped within a couple days max.  I know you want to separate our perceptions of the customer service or tech support department from the shipping department, but we all view it as the same company.  The biggest problem with SD is the fulfillment dept. in my opinion.

As far as tech support, I wish they were more knowledgable.  I contacted them for help with belt alignment and tensioning and it seemed like the person I spoke with had never even done that themselves.

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It would be smart to have a system so that for the first two weeks of a user receiving their SD their emails get priority status for support.

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All support emails should be a priority.

If they're not using a ticketing system they're crazy.

If they need a recommendation for one I'd suggest SYSAID.

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infinityis wrote:

Have you been getting good responses from the support team?

   At first, yes. Within the first 24 hours of ownership, my SD3 had what is apparently a rare problem with wiring internal to the motor. Understandably, it took lots of drilling down and debugging to establish that as a problem because it is so rare, and totally not a any reflection on SD3 product quality (as they don't make the motors, and it was working for the first few hours of operation).

What did you like?

The initial round of emails was very responsive on a daily basis. I had high hopes that I'd have a replacement motor in hand soon.

What didn't you like?

I guess because the problem is likely not one they've encountered previously, they responded that they needed some time to figure out what to do. It's now been two weeks and I still haven't heard anything back; it's as though support been paralyzed by the problem instead of responding to it.

Basically, support started well, but it seems that it can take a turn for the worse. I'm not sure if it's just a disconnect between technical support and customer service, or if their pricing is so competitive that there isn't enough margin to provide adequate support even in the face of a clearly defined technical issue, or what. I do know that there is no official warranty, and they didn't indicate how long they would take to figure out what they would do about it, so I don't feel lied to or misled thus far. It just feels lacking; there is nothing actionable for me at this point and I'm just waiting for them to close the loop. Add in the fact that some debugging steps they asked me to do along the way could have been ruled out based on the symptoms (documented via video), which just added to my frustrations.

Overall, I'd say the support is quite good and responsive if it is a technical issue that can be fixed by following steps in their wiki or via email-based explanations. It is not so good if it either involves a problem they dont'see often, or involves replacement parts (I can't determine which of those (if not both) is the root of the support problem without additional data). Fortunately, it should be a tiny fraction of customers who fall into that bucket....It's just that I happen to be in it.

PM me your e-mail address that you're using and I'll make sure they respond.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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ne14pez wrote:

I've had decent experiences with support.  I had a bad motherboard that was replaced in about a week and a half.  I had to call in though and give proof that the bad board was received.  SD said they couldn't find the board I sent in.  Only after UPS tracking showed that they signed for the package, they shipped out a new one which made me happy.

The biggest problem with SD support is responsiveness.  Why does it take so long to do things?  Orders should be shipped within a couple days max.  I know you want to separate our perceptions of the customer service or tech support department from the shipping department, but we all view it as the same company.  The biggest problem with SD is the fulfillment dept. in my opinion.

As far as tech support, I wish they were more knowledgable.  I contacted them for help with belt alignment and tensioning and it seemed like the person I spoke with had never even done that themselves.

These are great criticisms.

The lead time on repair parts is something we are working on. Since we don't reveal our internal organization, sometimes there is frustration. I can imagine someone thinking that the repair orders are simply stacking up on some support tech's desk. You should get a confirmation e-mail for the repair part as soon as you are confirmed for it. At the point it gets put into a shipping cue with other "priority orders." Solidoodle has a dedicated shipping clerk who deals only with parts (as opposed to printers.)

However, a large number of customers request priority status for things like work related problems, robotics contests, birthdays, international flights, repair parts. We try our best to be reasonable about what gets rushed. The lead time for things like this shouldn't be too bad even in the worst case, but we are actively working on it.

I agree that our support techs could use some more intense training. One challenge that support deals with is that we deal with a large variety of people. Not everyone responds to the same kinds of language. In general, things like belt tensioning are best learned from the videos. We have found that describing the internal positioning of the parts of the printer over the phone to be especially difficult.

If you can imagine:

"You must turn the set screw in the pulley on the X-Rod on the machine"
"You mean on the motherboard?"
"No, on the back of the inside of the machine"
"Ah so on the back wall?"
"No, on the rod, by the pulley"
"What's a pulley?"
"It turns, it's in the back of the machine on the X axis"
"So the motor?"
"No..."

That's a wild exaggeration, but you can imagine how such things go. It is very easy for us to fail to communicate the right parts of the printer over the phone. The videos are there to help people who don't want to learn all the jargon behind the printer and get up and running fast. We're working this though.

I really hate the idea of phone scripts, but I suppose that may be the way to go.

On the other end of the spectrum, we get folks who are mechanical engineers who ask very specific questions about bearings, tolerances, rod threading types. While some of our support agents can work with this, they are generally speaking not engineers and aren't able to answer some of the deeper questions more faithfully. The support techs have one objective, and that is to get the user up and running as fast as possible.

Criticism registered. We shall try and make them talk the talk a bit better.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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dubbsd wrote:

they do not follow through with their e-mail support.
Do to my stupidity I broke the flex led and asked them if they would sell me a replacement length
they  wanted me to send them a picture of it working to see what was wrong with it.
the ^%^%$ wires are broke in 2 places so I want to replace it instead of splicing it. Since they did not reply with a price
I ORDERED IT else-ware.

Do you find the policy of asking for pictures frustrating, or is more the time it takes?

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:
dubbsd wrote:

they do not follow through with their e-mail support.
Do to my stupidity I broke the flex led and asked them if they would sell me a replacement length
they  wanted me to send them a picture of it working to see what was wrong with it.
the ^%^%$ wires are broke in 2 places so I want to replace it instead of splicing it. Since they did not reply with a price
I ORDERED IT else-ware.

Do you find the policy of asking for pictures frustrating, or is more the time it takes?

Stab in the dark, but I think in this instance given it was severed wires - particularly since it was an admitted self-caused fault - there is no point to requesting pictures was more the issue and at the very least can be I'm sure pictured in ones mind what it looks like.  Anyway, ts not like it would help support solve future problems of a similar nature in this particular case smile

If it was a bent rod, or a cracked carriage or a 'fault' that could be potentially solved, or help others in future in anyway - then it probably wouldn't have been a problem requesting the pics.

Just in this case, it does seem wholly entirely useless to delay just fulfilling the request...

But thats just my $0.02 having read the description as an outsider...

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Re: How's the quality of support been lately?

In my opinion, pictures are good for warranty exchanges, but if a customer just wants to buy a part, send 'em an invoice. smile

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solidoodlesupport wrote:

We're trying to keep everyone honest here. Have you been getting good responses from the support team? What did you like? What didn't you like?

We're working to make things smoother.

http://www.soliforum.com/post/39799/#p39799

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Re: How's the quality of support been lately?

elmoret wrote:
solidoodlesupport wrote:

We're trying to keep everyone honest here. Have you been getting good responses from the support team? What did you like? What didn't you like?

We're working to make things smoother.

http://www.soliforum.com/post/39799/#p39799

Good catch. Gave him a call.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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This may not belong here but....

Ordered a bunch of spare parts for the SD3 my work is using, one of the parts was a replacement nozzle.

4 days later I notice that they added a ton of new parts in the store, one of which was nozzle+barrel. I realized this was the part I actually wanted, so I emailed Support and asked if they could make this change.

The response I get is "Please transfer $6.00 to [email protected]"

I didn't even use paypal in the first place, who is to say I even have an account? I was thinking they could make changes to the CC payment but I could be wrong...

Then 15 minutes later I get another email from Support saying that my order has been flagged by their 'fraud department' and that they will not release my parts until I send them documents confirming my identity. (this is 5 days after I placed the order, were they ever going to tell me?)

At that point I said I don't care about the barrel, just get my parts shipped. Their response is that it doesn't matter, they need scanned utility bills from me.

So now even though my credit card has been charged $200+, my parts are being held until I agree to this strange request, something that I've never had to do in the hundreds (or even thousands?) of online transactions I have made throughout the years.

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To be honest that sounds more like a fraudulent request from them! I'd never scan or provide any extra information like that online, you're basically asking for your information to be stolen.

Very strange.

I would ring and speak with someone at Solidoodle.

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Gomisan wrote:

To be honest that sounds more like a fraudulent request from them! I'd never scan or provide any extra information like that online, you're basically asking for your information to be stolen.

Very strange.

I would ring and speak with someone at Solidoodle.

Its pretty normal actually. I got a order for two Filastruders from a guy who wanted them shipped somewhere different from his billing address. No other fraud protection telltales were triggered - the CVV matched, billing address matched CC address, etc.

A month later I got a chargeback - the credit card had been stolen, and apparently the billing address for it was obtained somehow. Now if someone wants to ship it somewhere different from the billing address, I ask for a copy of a utility bill or the first page of the CC statement. No fraud ever since.

At any rate, what is Solidoodle going to do with a copy of your utility bill? Not sure how that's "asking for your information to be stolen"... what information? Your address? Which they already have, stored in plaintext?

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In Australia when proving identity you are required to provide a certain number of 'points' of ID. Utility bills can count towards your points total, so possession of one (or a good copy) could potentially assist with identity fraud.

I agree shipping/billing differences should be investigated, but this has obviously caused a customer concern so perhaps a better method?

FYI I almost always ship to a different address to my billing one as I cant accept deliveries at home if I'm at work all day, I have never had this queried, even by Solidoodle when I bought my printer!

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My billing address is a PO box, and the post office is not open by the time I get home anyways so I have to use a separate shipping address.

At any rate I relented and sent them the info, I don't want the engineers breathing down my neck about the parts.

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My 2 cents worth. I emailed support last night, so far no response. yea  it only been a few hours  BUT I emailed another vendor on here,basically a one man show.He responded within the hour.

SD3, E3D hotend,linear bearing on x/y axis',pillow block bearing on y conneting rod, ball bearngs on front y axis, fan on y stepper motor.

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I still have a : boat anchor: here waiting on replacements parts even tho they said my order would be expidited. That's almost a  week ago.

SD3, E3D hotend,linear bearing on x/y axis',pillow block bearing on y conneting rod, ball bearngs on front y axis, fan on y stepper motor.