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Topic: all metal hot-ends

In the last few months I have had 3 peeks melt so I am looking into
upgrading to an all metal hot-end.
if I get a hot-end with a fan do I need to have the fan run all the time like the extruder fan is.
Is anyone in the community using this one. 

http://e3d-online.com/#/shop/4567186838 … nd/3077284

Ultimaker S3.

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dubbsd wrote:

In the last few months I have had 3 peeks melt so I am looking into
upgrading to an all metal hot-end.
if I get a hot-end with a fan do I need to have the fan run all the time like the extruder fan is.
Is anyone in the community using this one. 

http://e3d-online.com/#/shop/4567186838 … nd/3077284

Those are very nice hot-ends, and the price isn't bad either. I wouldn't want to pay the shipping from GB though.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:

.... I wouldn't want to pay the shipping from GB though.

Its only 9-quid, or about $13 US for shipping to the US (and same to Australia)... Not being smart, but its cheaper than you'd probably charge to send out a Hot-End smile The USPS pricing caused me to choke when I ordered my SD3 ($120 shipping!) and you want nearly the same again to order Filament (hence I haven't ordered filament from you)

So I just ordered one, set me back $75 Australian *shipped* ..  about the going price of a shipped J-Head with bits... with the $5 hobbed gear, $2 worth of plastic for a MK4 extruder body and a $10 NEMA-17 motor, it works out to a $92 Hot-End shipped and in my hands! smile smile

Will let you know what its like when I get mine in about 4 weeks.. (3 weeks lead time, 1 week shipping)

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I fixed my melted peek with a 6mm helicoil from ORiley auto parts cost 24 dollars for a kit of 6.
Make sure your pid is set right so it don't over heat and melt the peek

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pcpoirier wrote:

I fixed my melted peek with a 6mm helicoil from ORiley auto parts cost 24 dollars for a kit of 6.
Make sure your pid is set right so it don't over heat and melt the peek

Show us. I imagine this is an interesting hack.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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The helicoil is a smart fix for the peek problem. You are inserting metal threads into a piece of threaded plastic. It will certainly give it more strength and make it possible to unscrew multiple times for cleaning.

SD2
E3D V6
MK5 V6

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Here is a picture of my HeliCoil Peek
http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?actio … r=282t2140

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pcpoirier wrote:

Here is a picture of my HeliCoil Peek
http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?actio … r=282t2140


I guess you has to re-tap with the special helicoil tap right? Nice fix...

www.designerfred.fr      before: Solidoodle 2 + E3D v6 now: MeCreator II and OLO 3D

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The helicoil kit comes with 12 inserts, a tap and insertion tool. It doesn't come with a drill bit.

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detai … d=helicoil

Maybe I should start a helicoil service.

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Good luck with the stainless barrel. This is what the QU-BD extruder has and if you go over to the QU-BD forum, you'll see all the problems with it. The only difference I see between the two is the coldend is alum finned instead of a block of alum with a fan cooled heatsink on it.
I have made a lot of different variations of the stainless barrel and none worked 100% of the time. The only way I could get 100% reliability out of them is with PFTE tubing installed inside the barrel.

Let us know how well it works.

Rodney

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Prusa has said that the only way he could get a stainless barrel to work is for the inside to be polished.  I don't know if they are doing that with the E3d.

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I was wanting to get red of the Peek. their is nothing on the all metal hot-end to melt
and is cooled with a fan. I am going to hook up a 4 channel thermal data logger
because I have had too many peeks melt after PID tuning o I want to monitor both ends of the hot-end
the bed and the enclosure so I can compare them with Repetier-host.
With an all metal hotend  I will be able to print with plastics that require higher temps.

Ultimaker S3.

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trinitylabs has one although they havnt released their 1.75mm one yet.  http://trinitylabs.com/products/trinity … emp-hotend

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IanJohnson wrote:

Prusa has said that the only way he could get a stainless barrel to work is for the inside to be polished.  I don't know if they are doing that with the E3d.

on a small scale that's not too difficult.

for someone at home, with the facilities to make something like this, (a lathe) provided that they take their time etc this can be done effectively.

The trouble is that it falls apart en-mass, if you're qu-bd and you're trying to ship out as much parts as possible then a time consuming low return high rate of QC failure parts are not a good idea.

that's the problem really, me, at home, I don't really mind spending a day carefully lapping and polishing the inside of my stainless steel barrel, (in fact I'm actually planning on doing this).

you as a printer owner, don't really want to pay for my time to do this.

kind of goes back to the discussion on what time is worth etc, if I want £10 an hour to stand in front of my lathe, and it's going to take me ten hours to make the part, that's a significant cost to you. in solidoodle land it's nearly 25% of the cost of a complete new printer.

The only reason that you really want to upgrade to an all metal nozzle is to increase the temperature range, and hopefully print in polycarbonate or peek, or PTFE. (is anyone even providing these materials in filament form yet?)

but given that the solidoodle already has the temperature range to print PLA/ABS/Nylon/LDPE and HDPE you'd have to be making something pretty special to actually require polycarbonate or peek.

Another reason that you might want an all metal hot end is that your thermistor came loose and the hot end got too hot and melted the peek causing the brass barrel to drop out.
but it probably makes more sense to find a better way of affixing the thermistor than it does to completely remake the hotend!



If you have the facilities to do this at home, or have a friend that you can blag into this on a low cost basis then making an all metal hot end is a pretty cool experiment, but most people just don't need an all metal hot end.

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slight correction, trinity labs one linked above only claims polycarbonate above and beyond what the solidoodle can already do.

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I do have 2 lathes (and a Bridgeport mill) and have spent several 100 hours trying to get a stainless barrel to work. I even have a barrel that I polished to a  mirror finish on the inside and it will still jam. I even have some that I used a 50 to 1 taper reamer thinking that would help and it didn't. I've tried keeping the cold and hot ends as close to each other also and it didn't work.
I'll try the stainless barrel again when I want to print some high temp melt plastic.

I see that some are having jamming problems with the E3D.

Here is the link to how I use the stainless barrel now and have no issues with it.
http://www.buildlog.net/forum/viewtopic … amp;t=1977
The great thing about my barrel is if I do over heat it, just change out the PTFE tubing.


Rodney