26 (edited by ronsii 2013-03-13 22:42:29)

Re: Calibration issue or something else?

I think they are 13 tooth????

going from memory here....I get back in the other shop in a bit.


Nope... I have 18 too written down, so they are 18 tooth... well so much for my memory wink

Not sure why I even thought they would be different, because then they would be a different size???

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Re: Calibration issue or something else?

If my changing the gear pulleys to FairLoc(TM) doesn't improve things then my next step is to see if that MXL belt has steel in it.  If not I'll upgrade that.

If that doesn't work then I guess I set about making a better axis.

Danger: 'Addams Family' sense of humor.

28 (edited by jerseydevil 2013-03-14 12:25:09)

Re: Calibration issue or something else?

Got the gear pulley off by working a 1/16" SAE hex key into the 1.5mm hex set screw head.
So I salvaged the gear pulley but not the set screw.

I removed the whole 6mm shaft at the rear and of course discovered that the gear pulley set screws were turned down so tight they dug into the shaft itself.  This is unlike the extruder 'gear' which was unable to dig into the that stepper's output shaft.

What is interesting is that the drive gear pulley was apparently set into place 3 times.  It has 3 distinct landing area on the shaft.  It was interesting getting that drive gear pulley off as well as all those set screw landing spots made it hard to slide on the shaft.

If anyone needs the the MXL drive belt from the Y axis stepper is marked on my system.
It is an SDP-SI part number: SDP A6Z16 084 025/060
That should be actual part number: A6Z16M084060 (the M is implied, 84 is the number of teeth, the 025/060 are SAE/metric belt width).
This is just a fiberglass reinforced neoprene belt so a steel or Kevlar reinforced belt would be an improvement.
I'll set about ordering those today.

I will clean up this shaft and try to reuse it with my inbound FairLoc(TM) replacements.  Given this is a recommended and seemingly common enough adjustment the FairLoc(TM) should probably have been the first choice as they are the least likely to damage the shaft if properly tightened.  When I use them I will mark the shaft position with regards to the gear pulleys so I can visually detect any slippage.  I can infer from the lack of futher damage to this rear Y axis shaft that the previous owner did not actually achieve this calibration otherwise the shaft would have more landing areas from set screws or marks from the set screws slipping.  Probably stripped out the head and gave up on it.

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Re: Calibration issue or something else?

So your talking about the shaft on the Y motor not the drive rod above it? Mine is super tight and probably will strip if I try to remove. I like the idea of marking the pulleys for slippage

What are fairloc? Why are they better?

SD2 owner- Surestepr, filament holder,QUBD servo and heaters, glass bed
Print for fun and for parts for my sports cars
current car is 88 IROC

30 (edited by jerseydevil 2013-03-14 15:01:03)

Re: Calibration issue or something else?

jjcuff1 wrote:

So your talking about the shaft on the Y motor not the drive rod above it? Mine is super tight and probably will strip if I try to remove. I like the idea of marking the pulleys for slippage

What are fairloc? Why are they better?

I removed the shaft above the Y motor (the shaft the Y motor turns and through that moves the axis).  However now that you mention it that stepper will be removed and a flat will be put in that output shaft as well before I am done.  I already (in another topic) ground a flat in my extruder stepper with excellent results (at least for me).

FairLoc(TM) hubs are designed to reduce the exact issue you pointed out earlier in this topic.  They are essentially a compression hub made out of aluminum but unlike the set screw they grab most of the shaft circumference.  SDP-SI sells them (this idea is patented) as alternatives for gears, pulleys and other applications where non-marring adjustment of that item will happen often.  There are other ways to do this, and FairLoc(TM) does require some regularity in the shaft dimensions, but in this case I can substitute these gear pulleys for the ones on the shaft without cutting a flat at all.  Effectively it is a drop in replacement.  As those 2 gear pulleys were obviously heavily tightened because without a flat they would otherwise slip.  My hope is with the FairLoc(TM) hubs I won't have that sort of issue.  Course as proprietary parts they cost a bunch more.

I bought 3 18 tooth FairLoc(TM) hub pulleys at basically $19 each.
I won't need one for the stepper because I will put a flat in that shaft, there is no rotational misalignment there that requires adjustment...just the need to stop it from slipping so the $5 existing stepper gear pulley is just fine.

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Sweet I like that! Makes sense.

SD2 owner- Surestepr, filament holder,QUBD servo and heaters, glass bed
Print for fun and for parts for my sports cars
current car is 88 IROC

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Re: Calibration issue or something else?

Has anyone tried replacing the MXL belts with GT2 belts?

In theory that should reduce the backlash.

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33 (edited by jerseydevil 2013-03-18 10:46:34)

Re: Calibration issue or something else?

So i got my FairLoc(TM) equipped gear pulleys from SDP.
Put them on and adjusted them no problem.
Flated the shaft of the Y stepper so it can't slip.
Lubed everything up nice.
Checked the belt tension as best I suppose I can.

Found that the my circles still exhibit the exact same flat edges.
The flats are where the edges of the Y axis movement are most subtle.
If I watch the printer I can cleary see the extruder nozzle moving almost straight down the X axis (left to right) at those ploints.
Error is the same regardless of how I slice the cylinder model so the error is still in the printer somewhere.

I'm going to try to calibrate the extruder perhaps it's still extruding too much per step.
If that were the case as the printer slows down at the crest of the arc there would be some overage and it always prints the cylinder walls
the same direction so the error would be similar on each layer.

Turns out asking for 100mm of filament into the extruder gets 117mm of filament.
Time to start working on that calibration and probably upgrading the firmware in the process.

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