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Re: Odd printing artifact?

Ok.  I made a part, like the test quare I mentioned previously, except I made the wall .48mm.

IIIP Cura warned me that setting the Shell Thickness to .48 was not a mutliple of the nozzle size, but appeared to generate gcode anyway. 

The resulting print came out odd, about 1/3 of each side printed.  I checked the gcode with an online viewer, and the print matches the gcode, so something was weird in there.  Anyway, the wall thickness I measure is .022". -  .48mm should be .0189".

I can imagine, regarding the different slicers problem.  I have IIIP Cura, which I began using when I got the printer.  I also got Ultimaker Cura 3.2.1 from their web site.  The menus and even some of the names of the settings are different, making it difficult to know how to set it up.

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Re: Odd printing artifact?

I tried some settings in Cura.  When I set the Shell Thickness to 0.8mm I get a gcode that looks like the STL model.  The gcode viewer shows 1 extrude path, just like I would think it should, to get a 1pass width shell.    If I set it at .4mm, I get a blank gcode - no extrude paths.  I'll print that later, when the part in the machine now is done.

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Re: Odd printing artifact?

Dave forgive as it is hard to remember what printer everyone has if they don't add it to their signature but i thought you had a Makerbot? So why are you using slicer software that was hacked and butchered by monoprice for use with their printers? The IIP Cura is not for general use and is really considered proprietry to monoprice.

You should use and get used to using the real Cure software. Older versions like the 2 series are a little easier to work with. The 15 series they are at now assumes knowledge with slicers as far as I can tell.

For calibrating your machine as described by Heartless which is NECESSARY you will need to use a different slicer/host suite like RH. Cura only allows you to specify walls in mm of thickness, as opposed to other slicers that you specify number of shells which is what you need to confirm calibration. A shell, not a wall should be .48mm if your machine calibrated right.

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Re: Odd printing artifact?

ok, you REALLY need to stop converting everything to inches.. 3d printing is metric, get used to it, embrace it!

and get one of these: iGaging-Electronic-Digital-Caliper

it reads metric, decimal inch AND fractional inch. wink

as for your issue - what size nozzle is set in Cura? sounds like it is set wrong.

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Re: Odd printing artifact?

As heartless stated it is rely better to use get ued to mm for 3 d printing. Not really that difficult.

I did  similar 20 mm cube test on my ultimate maker. the wll came out a bit thick  but tuneable no slicer errors  that is with the cura that comes with rh,

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Re: Odd printing artifact?

I updated my signature with the printer info.
I print almost exclusively ABS.   [If I ever use something else, I'll be sure to mention it]

I've had to bounce between metric and inches for years, designing SMT electronic pads for printed circuit boards.  Tried dealing with it different ways.  Metric doesn't work for me.  I'll convert stuff to metric for here.  Maybe get a metric caliper.

Printer nozzle is the stock 0.4mm. 

I printed my single wall  / line test piece.  The single thickness measures 0.762mm  The wall on the part yesterday was .584mm.  Yeah, this isn't going to work - I'm guessing due to the IIIP butchered Cura?

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Re: Odd printing artifact?

Dave455 wrote:

I updated my signature with the printer info.
I print almost exclusively ABS.   [If I ever use something else, I'll be sure to mention it]

I've had to bounce between metric and inches for years, designing SMT electronic pads for printed circuit boards.  Tried dealing with it different ways.  Metric doesn't work for me.  I'll convert stuff to metric for here.  Maybe get a metric caliper.

Printer nozzle is the stock 0.4mm. 

I printed my single wall  / line test piece.  The single thickness measures 0.762mm  The wall on the part yesterday was .584mm.  Yeah, this isn't going to work - I'm guessing due to the IIIP butchered Cura?


I looked at at the IIIP Cura and for the most part it is the Same as Cura just stripped/Dumbed down for ease of use I guess. Being Cura based it does not allow for a single shell but instead a wall of a desired width in mm. RH, S3D, Slicer and others allow for a single shell and that shell width is controlled by your filament thickness and your multiplier and should come out to be .48mm based on a .40 nozzle when calibrated correctly. So you will need to use one of the other slicers for proper calibration purposes.

You might can make Cura work by specifying the wall thickness as .48 and then tuning your flowrate to get that .48 versus your .58 thickness.

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Re: Odd printing artifact?

Dave455 wrote:

I updated my signature with the printer info.
I print almost exclusively ABS.   [If I ever use something else, I'll be sure to mention it]

I've had to bounce between metric and inches for years, designing SMT electronic pads for printed circuit boards.  Tried dealing with it different ways.  Metric doesn't work for me.  I'll convert stuff to metric for here.  Maybe get a metric caliper.

Printer nozzle is the stock 0.4mm.

I printed my single wall  / line test piece.  The single thickness measures 0.762mm  The wall on the part yesterday was .584mm.  Yeah, this isn't going to work - I'm guessing due to the IIIP butchered Cura?

"Maybe get a metric caliper" - that caliper i linked to would be ideal for you... it does both metric and inch (and both decimal inch and fractional inch!)... and at a VERY reasonable price... all at the touch of a button.

"Printer nozzle is the stock 0.4mm." - yeah, I get that.. but what is it set to in Cura??
there has to be someplace in those settings that you specify the nozzle size - double check that it is set correctly.

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Re: Odd printing artifact?

I use Cura and nozzle size is set by the user in the main machine setting. The filament diameter also needs to be set as well and is not 1.75 ever. Yes that tiny little bit makes a major difference in the prints and how the slicer sets flow volume.

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carl_m1968 wrote:

I use Cura and nozzle size is set by the user in the main machine setting. The filament diameter also needs to be set as well and is not 1.75 ever. Yes that tiny little bit makes a major difference in the prints and how the slicer sets flow volume.

yes, and he needs to verify that it is set correctly.

just saying the stock nozzle is a 0.4 means nothing.. it NEEDS to be set correctly within the program.

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Re: Odd printing artifact?

Ok, I wasn't clear, the nozzle is the 0.4mm one that came with he printer.  The setting in IIIP Cura is [and always has been] set to 0.4mm.

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37 (edited by carl_m1968 2019-04-11 18:59:17)

Re: Odd printing artifact?

Dave455 wrote:

Ok, I wasn't clear, the nozzle is the 0.4mm one that came with he printer.  The setting in IIIP Cura is [and always has been] set to 0.4mm.

Cool and what is your filament diameter set for in Cura? Like I said it should not be 1.75. It should be an average of about ten measurement taken over several meters of the filament and it is never 1.75. Even 1.74 or 1.76 makes a big difference in the end results.

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Re: Odd printing artifact?

Dave455 wrote:

Ok, I wasn't clear, the nozzle is the 0.4mm one that came with he printer. The setting in IIIP Cura is [and always has been] set to 0.4mm.

That is the information i was looking for.


and carl - never say never.. it does not happen very often, but it does happen that the average does work out to 1.75 - I have a couple spools (out of roughly 50) that are set to 1.75 average diameter. wink

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Re: Odd printing artifact?

Made around 20 measurements over 10 feet of filament.

15 at 1.7mm
2  at 1.727mm
3 at 1.676mm

Average = 1.669mm

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Re: Odd printing artifact?

Dave455 wrote:

Made around 20 measurements over 10 feet of filament.

15 at 1.7mm
2  at 1.727mm
3 at 1.676mm

Average = 1.669mm

Then that would be the number you would use for filament diameter in your slicer and this will need to be confirmed and changed when needed on every spool you load.

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Re: Odd printing artifact?

personally, I would round it off to 1.67, but either way, that is the number to use in the slicing software.

and keep in mind that every spool WILL be different, and should be calibrated properly at the beginning of use.
Even 2 spools of the same brand, same color WILL vary in average diameter.

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Re: Odd printing artifact?

Now the outer edges are kind of blobby.  Looks like over extruding a bit, I think.

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Re: Odd printing artifact?

Dave455 wrote:

Now the outer edges are kind of blobby.  Looks like over extruding a bit, I think.

don't "think" it is, verify it!

there are very specific steps to take to properly calibrate things.

please see the attached...

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That PDF is good.  Thank you.

I set up as shown in the picture, and measured how far the filament moved after extruding 100mm.

99.23mm
so if anything it's a little short.

In Machine settings in the IIIP Cura, the E steps is set to 415

In the start code, I have E steps at 417, from the previous time I checked this.


M501 returned this -
> M501
< echo:Stored settings retrieved
< echo:Steps per unit:
< echo:  M92 X80.04 Y80.04 Z400.48 E94.30
< echo:Maximum feedrates (mm/s):
< echo:  M203 X300.00 Y300.00 Z5.00 E25.00
< echo:Maximum Acceleration (mm/s2):
< echo:  M201 X3000 Y3000 Z100 E500
< echo:Acceleration: S=acceleration, T=retract acceleration
< echo:  M204 S800.00 T800.00
< echo:Advanced variables: S=Min feedrate (mm/s), T=Min travel feedrate (mm/s), B=minimum segment time (ms), X=maximum XY jerk (mm/s),  Z=maximum Z jerk (mm/s),  E=maximum E jerk (mm/s)
< echo:  M205 S0.00 T0.00 B20000 X10.00 Z0.40 E1.00
< echo:Home offset (mm):
< echo:  M206 X0.00 Y0.00 Z-1.90
< echo:PID settings:
< echo:   M301 P9.12 I0.41 D50.98


So I send M92 E417 in the command window.
Re run the test...

I get 100.45mm

I set M92 E416

And measure 99mm.

Go back to 417, measure 100.37mm

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45 (edited by carl_m1968 2019-04-16 19:19:27)

Re: Odd printing artifact?

Dave455 wrote:

That PDF is good.  Thank you.

I set up as shown in the picture, and measured how far the filament moved after extruding 100mm.

99.23mm
so if anything it's a little short.

In Machine settings in the IIIP Cura, the E steps is set to 415

In the start code, I have E steps at 417, from the previous time I checked this.


M501 returned this -
> M501
< echo:Stored settings retrieved
< echo:Steps per unit:
< echo:  M92 X80.04 Y80.04 Z400.48 E94.30
< echo:Maximum feedrates (mm/s):
< echo:  M203 X300.00 Y300.00 Z5.00 E25.00
< echo:Maximum Acceleration (mm/s2):
< echo:  M201 X3000 Y3000 Z100 E500
< echo:Acceleration: S=acceleration, T=retract acceleration
< echo:  M204 S800.00 T800.00
< echo:Advanced variables: S=Min feedrate (mm/s), T=Min travel feedrate (mm/s), B=minimum segment time (ms), X=maximum XY jerk (mm/s),  Z=maximum Z jerk (mm/s),  E=maximum E jerk (mm/s)
< echo:  M205 S0.00 T0.00 B20000 X10.00 Z0.40 E1.00
< echo:Home offset (mm):
< echo:  M206 X0.00 Y0.00 Z-1.90
< echo:PID settings:
< echo:   M301 P9.12 I0.41 D50.98


So I send M92 E417 in the command window.
Re run the test...

I get 100.45mm

I set M92 E416

And measure 99mm.

Go back to 417, measure 100.37mm

In case you are not aware, you can and should use decimal values like 417.6285. I have had to go out to 4 decimals sometimes to get an axis and the extruder truly dialed in.

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Re: Odd printing artifact?

oh, I was thinking it was integer only.  D'oh!

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47 (edited by carl_m1968 2019-04-16 19:57:02)

Re: Odd printing artifact?

Dave455 wrote:

oh, I was thinking it was integer only.  D'oh!

There is an actual formula for doing this so you don't have to guess.

New Steps/mm = (Old/Current steps/mm) x [100 / (measured distance filament traveled)]

You can also use,

(expected length* x current steps per mm) / actual length = new steps per mm

This is the one I use.

I actually made a spread sheet where I just plug in the required values and it spits out the new setting.

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Re: Odd printing artifact?

yes, you can, and should be using decimal places

and Carl, the formula is in that document i shared, as is the formula for calibrating the extrusion rate. wink

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Re: Odd printing artifact?

Yes, I saw the formula.  I had no idea the settings were decimal capable, all of my experience with embedded controllers etc. was integer only.  All of the settings I have seen so far have been integers, furthering my mistaken belief, so I would have rounded the formula result anyway.  I could tell it was close to E417 so I just tried E416.

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