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Topic: Curling of Objects at Base

How do I keep objects from curling on the bottom. My pyramid curls up on the edges. I put down fresh new Kaplan tape and had no bubbles under it, but after printing this object they appeared. So I have a bubbling and curling issue it seems like. How do I fix these issues?

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it will help if you inclose your printer

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Also what did you set the bed temp?

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Enclose build environment, set bed to 95C or higher. 

I would recommend doing the glass bed mod and using hairspray.  After I switched and enclosed my printer I get little to no warping at all.

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cmetzel wrote:

Enclose build environment, set bed to 95C or higher. 

I would recommend doing the glass bed mod and using hairspray.  After I switched and enclosed my printer I get little to no warping at all.

I keep the bed at 105 now, and how do I enclose the printer? I didn't get the closed in option, and what difference does that tend to make? There isn't much of a breeze here. lol.

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The problem happens when one section cools and shrinks before the rest, warping it. Enclosing the chamber makes it like a mild oven inside, so cooling of the part occurs much less and slower.

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Rocketman wrote:
cmetzel wrote:

Enclose build environment, set bed to 95C or higher. 

I would recommend doing the glass bed mod and using hairspray.  After I switched and enclosed my printer I get little to no warping at all.

I keep the bed at 105 now, and how do I enclose the printer? I didn't get the closed in option, and what difference does that tend to make? There isn't much of a breeze here. lol.

The cheap way is use cardboard and tape it to all open areas, with a cut out with tape over so you can see the print actually happen.  Most of the people here built their own enclosure, especially if they have an SD3 since not offered.  You can go to your local hardware store and get some lexan (polycarbonate sheet), cut and attach to the outer frame of the printer.

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Just on same topic. I had my SD2 for about 2 weeks now and seen same issues like all of us. Well I releveled the bed, autotune again, cleaned the surface (metal bed still) and have the zwobble code (not laser add on though) and cal the extruder and flowrate all seemed dialed in and I printed a larger part that went too the edge of the bed.

Front to back definitely was harder then side to side. More of a hump in the middle and falls off at the edges. What I did was use a piece of photo paper about .2mm thick and leveled at the screws. with a slight nudge the paper goes under at each point and then just clears the middle of the bed without touching. The hump, so I would say about 0.15mm higher.

Then I backed off the zstop an 1/8 turn, covered one side (facing the fan) of my SD and had this

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_vgRJJUf2mU/USy8i7N3M2I/AAAAAAAAAok/GdbAS2UlJzM/s902/Photo+Feb+26%2C+12+50+28+AM.jpg

going through this process again and getting repeatable results (even better) then last week is reassuring to me.

I think this looks pretty good for sticking, no curling and even flow. This is at .3mm layer height

SD2 owner- Surestepr, filament holder,QUBD servo and heaters, glass bed
Print for fun and for parts for my sports cars
current car is 88 IROC

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glass and hairspray seem distribute the heat best, if needed you can upgrade the bed heater like most us here who longer have problems of long print cover warps I know I did..  Do you have the new heater pad or the old resistor?

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Not sure? I have the white padding under neath. Mine was delivered in mid Jan 2013 and built in Dec 2012 so maybe the newer heater pad. Is there a link to a wiki or thread for the upgrade? parts cost?

Thanks

SD2 owner- Surestepr, filament holder,QUBD servo and heaters, glass bed
Print for fun and for parts for my sports cars
current car is 88 IROC

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There is a thread called "silicon heating pad" or  nichrome wire heated bed (depending on your skill level or desire to hack) something like that were we talk about that subject in detail.  The white stuff is just header insulation, is there a bump in the middle or does the insulation lie down flat?, that will indicate which type of heater they used...(they said they are using the pad heater's now).  If you discover a pad heater (no bump), make sure the firmware actually has PID auto-tune un-commented correctly in firmware and get some binder clips, glass, and hairspray.  I personally haven't seen what size or type of pad heater they have gone with (would be interesting to see if you could get some pictures), but I would assume it sufficient due to the constant complaints they received from that one issue alone.  You can easily check the voltages of the HB p/o as well (be careful not to short anything out) and also at the connections near the element to insure that you a adequate amount of power to that bed. (I use a separate ATX power supply just for the bed it's driven by a SSR [solid state relay]) and controlled directly though by HB P/O.

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OK Well I am not home now but it has a pyramid shape so I assume the bump is just a heater element.
I do not have an IR gun but I think I will get one. I am sure the bed temps vary drastically.

I would like to machine a new alumin bed like we do here for thermoformers at my work.

http://www.omega.com/ppt/pptsc.asp?ref=CIR_12

SD2 owner- Surestepr, filament holder,QUBD servo and heaters, glass bed
Print for fun and for parts for my sports cars
current car is 88 IROC

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jefferysanders wrote:

glass and hairspray seem distribute the heat best, if needed you can upgrade the bed heater like most us here who longer have problems of long print cover warps I know I did..  Do you have the new heater pad or the old resistor?

What glass adjustment is there? Just like a piece of window glass or something on the metal heating platform? And if so how do I keep it from moving and safely recalibrating the extruder level?

Wouldn't hair spray be bad for the environment? Shouldn't hand sanitizer be adequite? And as for Polycarbontate sheet is that stuff cheap? And would i cover only the 3 sides, but not the top at all for the sake of the filament feeding in? I'd like something that isn't at all flamable so I can safely leave the house without starting a fire in the case of 8 hour print jobs.

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Should closing in the printing space with walls help with the bottom warming and cracks shown in the pyramid base and this sphinx statue?

Also with each different object a different bubble pattern appears with the Kaplan tape that I need to reapply the tape to iron them out.

And for whatever reason with the "Flying Toasters" print I found whether or not I click the "support material" check box it seems to print just about the same way. sad

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Anyone still reading this thread? sad

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Your individual layers are cooling too quickly, is your extruder temp set to the proper setting of 200 C (assuming ABS here)? It seems as though the layers are much different temperatures at the time of extrusion, that would be my only idea on the curling between layers.

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I just wanted to bump this thread because I have been having significant issues with curling as well.  I already have the bed leveled, with glass+hairspray, and a good enclosure with foam weather strip seals.  One particularly troublesome print is Emmett's Gear Bearing (I mentioned this in a different thread as well, but it is more relevant here). 

When printing it, I get curling of at least 1mm on the flanges of the gears, making it impossible to get a good sidewall quality. 

I am trying to think of ways to improve this.  Would a fan make a difference?  I am waiting for some eBay fans to arrive, and in the meantime I am just using "dummy" prints (small tall parts) to idle the extruder while the gear cools in between layers.  I suppose a strong fan might help because it would freeze the layer before it is allowed to deform and relieve thermal stress.

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op7ical wrote:

 

When printing it, I get curling of at least 1mm on the flanges of the gears, making it impossible to get a good sidewall quality.

pictures?

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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The pictures are attached.  The print was stopped midway through just to show the effect of the curling.

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Is one side curling worse than the other?  Mine curls horribly on the right.  If I print a wheel all the way to the side, the bottom few layers on the right curl up, smooshing the layers out in crinkles.  The left side is perfectly fine, and if it's tall enough, the top will be flat.

I'm printing with the bed at 95, on a glass plate, with hairspray, the bed is leveled (with a feeler gage), and ive got a simple plexiglass case around my sd3.

Could the heated bed be messed up?

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Is one side curling worse than the other?  Mine curls horribly on the right.

Hmm, that is interesting that yours curls on one side.  Mine curls evenly everywhere though.  It is conceivable that in your case, some uneven heating could contribute to it.