226 (edited by evanboothe 2018-09-17 13:27:41)

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carl_m1968 wrote:

Ok first thing, get rid of the raft. You should not need it. Next is that 20mm cube actually 20mm it looks very small to me and that is the point of this test. We still need to calibrate your motors and they may be trying to squeeze a 20mm cube into less than 20mm.

Yeah it’s tiny it’s about 13mm instead of 20, also like I said if I start the print without a raft the oozing from the nozzle warming up causing the first layer not to lay and then it ruins everything.

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One word “Anchor”. Get one set up in your start code. Instead of placing it on the glass.  Have it dump 20mm just off the edge of your build plate.  Do this for both nozzles.  Then as it moves in to print.  The string will get cut off by the edge of the build plate.

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228 (edited by evanboothe 2018-09-17 14:34:48)

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Here is a 10mm x axis move, it is only moving 5mm on the money. Value was at 80 I want to 160 and now it moves in 10mm moves perfectly.



*Update*

Had the same deal with Y axis, doubled the value and got perfect movement.

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229 (edited by carl_m1968 2018-09-17 14:52:41)

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evanboothe wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

Ok first thing, get rid of the raft. You should not need it. Next is that 20mm cube actually 20mm it looks very small to me and that is the point of this test. We still need to calibrate your motors and they may be trying to squeeze a 20mm cube into less than 20mm.

Yeah it’s tiny it’s about 13mm instead of 20, also like I said if I start the print without a raft the oozing from the nozzle warming up causing the first layer not to lay and then it ruins everything.


I have mine set so it sets the Z height before it moves to print position so it scrapes the drip off on the edge of the glass as it moves in.

So now print another cube and see if it looks better. If it does then let it finish and measure it. .

Then you can go here to use the data and get them tuned in.

http://rigidtalk.com/wiki/index.php?tit … _XYZ_Steps


FYI your Z is going to have the same issue.

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230 (edited by evanboothe 2018-09-17 16:20:12)

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carl_m1968 wrote:
evanboothe wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

Ok first thing, get rid of the raft. You should not need it. Next is that 20mm cube actually 20mm it looks very small to me and that is the point of this test. We still need to calibrate your motors and they may be trying to squeeze a 20mm cube into less than 20mm.

Yeah it’s tiny it’s about 13mm instead of 20, also like I said if I start the print without a raft the oozing from the nozzle warming up causing the first layer not to lay and then it ruins everything.


I have mine set so it sets the Z height before it moves to print position so it scrapes the drip off on the edge of the glass as it moves in.

So now print another cube and see if it looks better. If it does then let it finish and measure it. .

Then you can go here to use the data and get them tuned in.

http://rigidtalk.com/wiki/index.php?tit … _XYZ_Steps


FYI your Z is going to have the same issue.

I’m working on the Z now before I even print again. It was no where near close.. I have it to where when I hit 10mm move it over moves 1mm then I hit 10mm again and it over shots 2mm, then so on... trying to figure it out now.

*update* I couldn’t get the z axis to be on the money it’s like half a mm over 10mm moves, had to leave the house I started 20mm cube print and am letting it run while I’m out.

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231 (edited by evanboothe 2018-09-17 20:30:45)

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http://soliforum.com/i/?PFmM04G.jpghttp://soliforum.com/i/?Tb09nTq.jpghttp://soliforum.com/i/?RWN84tM.jpg

I know you said get rid of the raft I forgot to. I honestly don’t think I’ll be able to get first later down without some type of pre nozzle line. What should I change for the object you see.. looks like it’s under extruding to me but I’m not sure.. like I said I don’t have much printing experience.


What is the gap between the bed and the nozzle supposed to be? .23mm?

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232 (edited by carl_m1968 2018-09-17 21:55:19)

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What I use to get the filament flowing before the actual print is a skirt. It is in Repetier under Cura, configuration, structures and in the section I marked. Use those settings all the time and it will trace three line around your object at 6mm from the object. I have never had an issue with this not getting my filament flowing fully.

http://soliforum.com/i/?5rUvBgX.jpg

Now for the print, yes it is under extruding and may be too hot. Also looks like a lot of moisture in the filament as well. Under the Filament tab in the Curaengine configuration try raising the over 100% by 5% intervals a few times and see if it improves.
If you have an LCD you can sometimes increase the flow on the fly and see the change after a few seconds when the change is added to the gcode stream. I would also drop your print temp down to 245 or 240. 260 is really hot for PETG.

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http://soliforum.com/i/?OqQk87v.jpghttp://soliforum.com/i/?AENhdPD.jpg Tried this before you responded.. all I did was increase my flow rate from 40 to 100. Looks pretty good! What do you think needs tweaked after looking at this print? I will turn down temp and I will try the skirt.

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234 (edited by carl_m1968 2018-09-17 22:19:23)

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It actually does not look too bad now.  It's just a matter off dialing it in to your liking and expectations now. Good job. Now you can help me when I get ready to do mine...:)

It might be the lighting but the top looks bulged, If it is then back off the flow rate to about 98%.. PETG does like to be slightly under extruded.

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235 (edited by evanboothe 2018-09-17 23:01:01)

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carl_m1968 wrote:

It actually does not look too bad now.  It's just a matter off dialing it in to your liking and expectations now. Good job. Now you can help me when I get ready to do mine...:)

It might be the lighting but the top looks bulged, If it is then back off the flow rate to about 98%.. PETG does like to be slightly under extruded.

Hey I’ll help when you do yours! I appreciate all the effort you have put into helping me, it’s helped so much and I can’t believe I’m finally printing again! Thank you!

What is the gap between bed and nozzle supposed to be?
All I have is printer paper do I fold that in half?

Now if I turn off the raft will it automatically run the skirt no matter what? As long as the values are entered?

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evanboothe wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

It actually does not look too bad now.  It's just a matter off dialing it in to your liking and expectations now. Good job. Now you can help me when I get ready to do mine...:)

It might be the lighting but the top looks bulged, If it is then back off the flow rate to about 98%.. PETG does like to be slightly under extruded.

Hey I’ll help when you do yours! I appreciate all the effort you have put into helping me, it’s helped so much and I can’t believe I’m finally printing again! Thank you!

What is the gap between bed and nozzle supposed to be?
All I have is printer paper do I fold that in half?

Now if I turn off the raft will it automatically run the skirt no matter what? As long as the values are entered?

Yes it should still make the skirt without the raft being turned on as long as there are values in the skirt field. As for the gap. My rule of thumb is half your desired print height. Or .1mm as measured with a feeler gauge. A single sheet of paper is fine. Don't fold it, just use it as a single layer. That's still very close to  .1. I use point one as it is good for .2 or .3 layers. I have never tried .1 so I can't say anything about it other than your gap would need to be smaller than .1 and PETG does not like going that low.

For things that I want to look pretty with very small layers and that does not need to be functional I use my SLA machine. I use the FDM machine for everything that needs to be functional. I will either sand out the lines, use a sealer, or spray several coats of Plastidip over it to even out the surface.

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carl_m1968 wrote:
evanboothe wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

It actually does not look too bad now.  It's just a matter off dialing it in to your liking and expectations now. Good job. Now you can help me when I get ready to do mine...:)

It might be the lighting but the top looks bulged, If it is then back off the flow rate to about 98%.. PETG does like to be slightly under extruded.

Hey I’ll help when you do yours! I appreciate all the effort you have put into helping me, it’s helped so much and I can’t believe I’m finally printing again! Thank you!

What is the gap between bed and nozzle supposed to be?
All I have is printer paper do I fold that in half?

Now if I turn off the raft will it automatically run the skirt no matter what? As long as the values are entered?

Yes it should still make the skirt without the raft being turned on as long as there are values in the skirt field. As for the gap. My rule of thumb is half your desired print height. Or .1mm as measured with a feeler gauge. A single sheet of paper is fine. Don't fold it, just use it as a single layer. That's still very close to  .1. I use point one as it is good for .2 or .3 layers. I have never tried .1 so I can't say anything about it other than your gap would need to be smaller than .1 and PETG does not like going that low.

For things that I want to look pretty with very small layers and that does not need to be functional I use my SLA machine. I use the FDM machine for everything that needs to be functional. I will either sand out the lines, use a sealer, or spray several coats of Plastidip over it to even out the surface.

So what would you recommend for me on my machine for good looking finish with PETG.

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238 (edited by evanboothe 2018-09-18 00:11:15)

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So I’m printing a larger part, it’s a viki 2 Mount. For some reason the first two times I began the print it would start the raft and it would halt and say m999 to clear. The USB cable was not connected to the laptop but it was connected to the board.. is it possible that is what was causing that? I also have noticed my layer fan comes on at the first layer of the actual object and when it comes on the mount I have for the fan blows air right onto the nozzle and the print bed which then messes with the extruder temp because of the airflow. It drops the temp by 20c just from the layer fan being on. So what I did was unplugged the cable completly and unplugged the layer fan and the print is running fine now.


****update****

It just halted again. Further into the print.. no idea why it is halting.

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The power supply is probably too weak as we discussed before.

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carl_m1968 wrote:

The power supply is probably too weak as we discussed before.

Found a wire loose at the thermistor on the extruder I think it was loosing contact the board was seeing 0 temp so it triggered min temp halt. Working since I fixed that.. got about 2 hours into a print while I was sleeping and the spoil fell off my roller... just restarted it and left for work. http://soliforum.com/i/?PvBd6xg.jpg

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241 (edited by carl_m1968 2018-09-18 12:32:54)

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evanboothe wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

The power supply is probably too weak as we discussed before.

Found a wire loose at the thermistor on the extruder I think it was loosing contact the board was seeing 0 temp so it triggered min temp halt. Working since I fixed that.. got about 2 hours into a print while I was sleeping and the spoil fell off my roller... just restarted it and left for work. http://soliforum.com/i/?PvBd6xg.jpg


Not looking too bad. Looks like your print is stopping at the end though and leaving the hotend in contact with the object. It looks like a melted spot in the bottom left. If so you need to add the lines I posted in my END gcode to yours. That way it will move the bed down to 150 and move the x and y home.

And this is my END Gcode:

M104 S0 ; turn off hotend
M140 S0 ; turn off bed
G28 X Y ; home X and Y axes
G1 Z150 F1000 ; move Z to 150
M84 ; disable motors

Fingers look better to.

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242 (edited by evanboothe 2018-09-18 13:45:28)

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carl_m1968 wrote:
evanboothe wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

The power supply is probably too weak as we discussed before.

Found a wire loose at the thermistor on the extruder I think it was loosing contact the board was seeing 0 temp so it triggered min temp halt. Working since I fixed that.. got about 2 hours into a print while I was sleeping and the spoil fell off my roller... just restarted it and left for work. http://soliforum.com/i/?PvBd6xg.jpg


Not looking too bad. Looks like your print is stopping at the end though and leaving the hotend in contact with the object. It looks like a melted spot in the bottom left. If so you need to add the lines I posted in my END gcode to yours. That way it will move the bed down to 150 and move the x and y home.

And this is my END Gcode:

M104 S0 ; turn off hotend
M140 S0 ; turn off bed
G28 X Y ; home X and Y axes
G1 Z150 F1000 ; move Z to 150
M84 ; disable motors

Fingers look better to.

Hahaha yeah the weekend is the only time I get to have halfway clean hands.

When the spool fell it jammed the extruder from homing and it left the hot end in contact with the part, Either way I had to re print I guess.

Have you ever printed TPU? How is it

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Never have tried it yet. I am in the process of replacing the nozzles, heatblocks, and feed throats on both extruders. One is totally clogged anyways. I plan to keep one dedicated to PETG and the other will be for other materials. Probaly will do this at the same time I convert the the Azteeg X5 GT.

The biggest issue is when you go to a high temp material it is very hard to get all the material out of the extruder if you move to a lower temp and it will cause clogging due to the higher temp material not melting fully at the lower temps.

I try to purge all the higher temp by running several meters of the lower temp stuff at the higher temp but I usually have little success.

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Carl, is there a formula to figure out new value for z axis?

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evanboothe wrote:

Carl, is there a formula to figure out new value for z axis?

It is the same formula as you used for the X and Y.

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carl_m1968 wrote:
evanboothe wrote:

Carl, is there a formula to figure out new value for z axis?

It is the same formula as you used for the X and Y.


Ok my issue though is that I don’t know exactly how much it’s over moving.. it’s like .243 of a step. Should I just guess and play with it

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247 (edited by carl_m1968 2018-09-18 17:39:17)

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I'm not sure what formula you are using. But there is a formula that allows you to look at the firmware and get the steps per mm there. Then you take the size you are actually getting and do the fuzzy math and it tells you the value that steps per mm need to be changed to. Just keep repeating till you get the precision you want.

This should be based on the size of your finished cube and nothing else.

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What would cause layers not to stack up in line. I’ve printed 3 prints had no issues they all turned out nice, did this calibration cube after adjusting a z value and the cube kind of staggered layers left and right. http://soliforum.com/i/?zn2nUp2.jpg

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249 (edited by carl_m1968 2018-09-19 11:43:49)

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Based on your image I see a few things. You are over extruding some. Back your flow rate down to 98 or so. PETG likes to be slightly under extruded.

The artifact you see to the right of the Y is called ringing and it usually means your movements are too fast for the mechanics of the machine. Since you are printing at 30 mm/s it is most likely the acceleration for the axis is too high. Drop it by half in the config.txt file.

Another issue I see and is probably the most serious is it appears you have some wobble in the Z axis. Either the Z screw is bent or the guides are bent or the glass is moving in the platform. The easiest way to see is open the manual controls and move the Z to the bottom then home it.

Watch the platform as it moves up and see if it moves back and forth at any time or in a straight line.. Then check the glass is secure and not moving. If the rods or screw show evidence of being bent or warped they will need to be replaced. Unless you want to try to correct the bend yourself which might make it worse.

Get the over extrusion fixed first. Those little blobs you have ever so often on the corners are caused by over extrusion and not layer shifting. That layer just squished out more than the one above and below it. Then print the same model again and we will take a look at it. Since it has those recessed letters you will need to double or triple your wall thickness from what it is now. That to may help to get rid of some of the issues.

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carl_m1968 wrote:

Based on your image I see a few things. You are over extruding some. Back your flow rate down to 98 or so. PETG likes to be slightly under extruded.

The artifact you see to the right of the Y is called ringing and it usually means your movements are too fast for the mechanics of the machine. Since you are printing at 30 mm/s it is most likely the acceleration for the axis is too high. Drop it by half in the config.txt file.

Another issue I see and is probably the most serious is it appears you have some wobble in the Z axis. Either the Z screw is bent or the guides are bent or the glass is moving in the platform. The easiest way to see is open the manual controls and move the Z to the bottom then home it.

Watch the platform as it moves up and see if it moves back and forth at any time or in a straight line.. Then check the glass is secure and not moving. If the rods or screw show evidence of being bent or warped they will need to be replaced. Unless you want to try to correct the bend yourself which might make it worse.

Get the over extrusion fixed first. Those little blobs you have ever so often on the corners are caused by over extrusion and not layer shifting. That layer just squished out more than the one above and below it. Then print the same model again and we will take a look at it. Since it has those recessed letters you will need to double or triple your wall thickness from what it is now. That to may help to get rid of some of the issues.

I will check out the z axis after work. Are the guides the rods without the threads on it? The outter two rods? If this stuff could be upgraded what would you recommend? I get this printer was never meant to be modified or upgraded to print better but what are my options. I do have a lot of machining abilities and could make bearings/rods etc.

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