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carl_m1968 wrote:
evanboothe wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

Yes those are the set speeds and they are all too fast for PETG. Click on the box that says configuration and you can change them. Save those settings as PETG so you can use them on PETG then later make faster settings for PLA or ABS if you change.

What are the best speeds to start with for those 3 speed options? Also I did that calculation again on the supplied link you posted above and got the same number as before 225.8 steps per mm


What microstepping value do you have the extruder enabled for? To be honest there is no need for any microstepping but if you are using it you need to be sure you are accounting for it. I have mine on my CT's set for 32 and steps per mm are 203. So yours are not too far off.

As for the speeds just them all for 35 as the high and 25 as the low. Again this is only PETG. ABS and PLA you will probably be able to get over 40mm/s.

this is all new to me.. where would I find out what I have enabled micro stepping wise? I placed the correct jumpers under the drivers when I first got the board that’s all I’ve done micro stepping wise.

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evanboothe wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:
evanboothe wrote:

What are the best speeds to start with for those 3 speed options? Also I did that calculation again on the supplied link you posted above and got the same number as before 225.8 steps per mm


What microstepping value do you have the extruder enabled for? To be honest there is no need for any microstepping but if you are using it you need to be sure you are accounting for it. I have mine on my CT's set for 32 and steps per mm are 203. So yours are not too far off.

As for the speeds just them all for 35 as the high and 25 as the low. Again this is only PETG. ABS and PLA you will probably be able to get over 40mm/s.

this is all new to me.. where would I find out what I have enabled micro stepping wise? I placed the correct jumpers under the drivers when I first got the board that’s all I’ve done micro stepping wise.

How many jumpers did you put under each driver? All three?

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carl_m1968 wrote:
evanboothe wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

What microstepping value do you have the extruder enabled for? To be honest there is no need for any microstepping but if you are using it you need to be sure you are accounting for it. I have mine on my CT's set for 32 and steps per mm are 203. So yours are not too far off.

As for the speeds just them all for 35 as the high and 25 as the low. Again this is only PETG. ABS and PLA you will probably be able to get over 40mm/s.

this is all new to me.. where would I find out what I have enabled micro stepping wise? I placed the correct jumpers under the drivers when I first got the board that’s all I’ve done micro stepping wise.

How many jumpers did you put under each driver? All three?

all three

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evanboothe wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:
evanboothe wrote:

this is all new to me.. where would I find out what I have enabled micro stepping wise? I placed the correct jumpers under the drivers when I first got the board that’s all I’ve done micro stepping wise.

How many jumpers did you put under each driver? All three?

all three


So that means you did set each stepper for 1/32 micostepping. Not that it really matters for the extruder. 

So going to that page I linked you to, you would put in the current steps per mm in the first line.

Then the desired extruded length on the second line.

The third line will auto populate with a value.

The actual extruded distance will go in the fourth line.

The fifth line will show you the new value to put into the firmware.

You should use out to the 3rd decimal at least for more precision.

You may need to repeat several times to get it as close as possible to the desired extrusion.

This is the easy part. Next comes getting the stepper motors calibrated which will require the 1/32 microstepper value. We will tackle that once the extruder is dialed in. It is best to deal with one issue and only one at a time on 3d printers.

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So the extruder doesn’t get calibrated down to 1/32 increments just the X, Y, and Z axis’s.

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evanboothe wrote:

So the extruder doesn’t get calibrated down to 1/32 increments just the X, Y, and Z axis’s.


Correct, just use whatever value the calculator returns versus what you put in for the extruder.

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Wait so I did the calculation wrong?

140 was my value before the 100mm feed test and it only extruded 62mm out of 100

Nope  you did the calculations correctly. I plugged in the Under extrusion value of 38

so 226 would be the correct value.
Sorry for any confusion caused.

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Tin Falcon wrote:

Wait so I did the calculation wrong?

140 was my value before the 100mm feed test and it only extruded 62mm out of 100

Nope  you did the calculations correctly. I plugged in the Under extrusion value of 38

so 226 would be the correct value.
Sorry for any confusion caused.

Hey no Problem I appreciate any input!

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Tin Falcon wrote:

Wait so I did the calculation wrong?

140 was my value before the 100mm feed test and it only extruded 62mm out of 100

Nope  you did the calculations correctly. I plugged in the Under extrusion value of 38

so 226 would be the correct value.
Sorry for any confusion caused.

Hey no Problem I appreciate any input!

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What is the difference between flow rate and feed rate in manual control?

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Amount vs speed

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So I got my extruder calibrated pretty much right on the money. It took awhile but I think I got it. Only issue I have is I noticed while trying to mark the next 100mm mark above the extruder if I waited to long it seemed like the hot end would suck hot filament back into the hot end and when I went to press print it would start pushing filament but would take a second for some to actually come out of the tip. If I marked quicker it seemed to go away. If I waited a minute or so the. Marked 100mm above then pressed extrude 100mm it would come up short.. but If I was quick at marking right after a run it ended the next run right on my mark.

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You are probably just experiencing heat soak. Is the fan for the fins on the extruder running? It should run all the time. It is not a layer fan. It keeps heat from creeping up the heat break and moving into the feed throat.

As long as you get 100 most of the time it should be okay since in normal conditions as soon as the hotend reaches temp the print and extrusion starts.

So now that you got the extruder working you need to download or make a calibration cube of a known dimension. They are usually 20mm or 30mm cubed it does not really matter.

Once you print it measure it and see how close it is to the desired dimension ans we can go on to calibrate the steps per mm on the motors to get the printed dimensions to match the desired dimensions.

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carl_m1968 wrote:

You are probably just experiencing heat soak. Is the fan for the fins on the extruder running? It should run all the time. It is not a layer fan. It keeps heat from creeping up the heat break and moving into the feed throat.

As long as you get 100 most of the time it should be okay since in normal conditions as soon as the hotend reaches temp the print and extrusion starts.

So now that you got the extruder working you need to download or make a calibration cube of a known dimension. They are usually 20mm or 30mm cubed it does not really matter.

Once you print it measure it and see how close it is to the desired dimension ans we can go on to calibrate the steps per mm on the motors to get the printed dimensions to match the desired dimensions.

Fan is on at 100 percent, was thinning on my way to work is it possible the polarity is wrong on the fan maybe it’s just moving air the wrong way

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evanboothe wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

You are probably just experiencing heat soak. Is the fan for the fins on the extruder running? It should run all the time. It is not a layer fan. It keeps heat from creeping up the heat break and moving into the feed throat.

As long as you get 100 most of the time it should be okay since in normal conditions as soon as the hotend reaches temp the print and extrusion starts.

So now that you got the extruder working you need to download or make a calibration cube of a known dimension. They are usually 20mm or 30mm cubed it does not really matter.

Once you print it measure it and see how close it is to the desired dimension ans we can go on to calibrate the steps per mm on the motors to get the printed dimensions to match the desired dimensions.

Fan is on at 100 percent, was thinning on my way to work is it possible the polarity is wrong on the fan maybe it’s just moving air the wrong way


If anything it is mounted the wrong way then. If the polarity is wrong the fan will not run. They don't work like a normal DC motor. They are in fact a hybrid stepper themselves with built in drivers so they can be speed controlled through PWM.

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carl_m1968 wrote:
evanboothe wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

You are probably just experiencing heat soak. Is the fan for the fins on the extruder running? It should run all the time. It is not a layer fan. It keeps heat from creeping up the heat break and moving into the feed throat.

As long as you get 100 most of the time it should be okay since in normal conditions as soon as the hotend reaches temp the print and extrusion starts.

So now that you got the extruder working you need to download or make a calibration cube of a known dimension. They are usually 20mm or 30mm cubed it does not really matter.

Once you print it measure it and see how close it is to the desired dimension ans we can go on to calibrate the steps per mm on the motors to get the printed dimensions to match the desired dimensions.

Fan is on at 100 percent, was thinning on my way to work is it possible the polarity is wrong on the fan maybe it’s just moving air the wrong way

I’ll post a picture later tonight of how it is mounted. What would be the fix if everything is mounted ok and it’s still heat soaking


If anything it is mounted the wrong way then. If the polarity is wrong the fan will not run. They don't work like a normal DC motor. They are in fact a hybrid stepper themselves with built in drivers so they can be speed controlled through PWM.

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evanboothe wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:
evanboothe wrote:

Fan is on at 100 percent, was thinning on my way to work is it possible the polarity is wrong on the fan maybe it’s just moving air the wrong way

I’ll post a picture later tonight of how it is mounted. What would be the fix if everything is mounted ok and it’s still heat soaking


If anything it is mounted the wrong way then. If the polarity is wrong the fan will not run. They don't work like a normal DC motor. They are in fact a hybrid stepper themselves with built in drivers so they can be speed controlled through PWM.


Don't let it sit so long without printing. Seriously. In any printer if filament sits too long in the heatblock at temp it can harden and cause clogs. It can also cause your issue. What should happen unless you preheat is that when you hit print the bed will heat, then the extruder will heat. When it reaches temp the print will begin.

If you preheat like some do then it is a good idea to keep an eye on the printer or know about how long it takes to get to temp and start the print as soon as possible. Your issue and a few others is why it is good to add a skirt of a few lines a few mm from the print. This purges any hardening filament and gets a good flow going before the actual print starts.

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193 (edited by evanboothe 2018-09-13 16:14:20)

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carl_m1968 wrote:
evanboothe wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

I’ll post a picture later tonight of how it is mounted. What would be the fix if everything is mounted ok and it’s still heat soaking


If anything it is mounted the wrong way then. If the polarity is wrong the fan will not run. They don't work like a normal DC motor. They are in fact a hybrid stepper themselves with built in drivers so they can be speed controlled through PWM.


Don't let it sit so long without printing. Seriously. In any printer if filament sits too long in the heatblock at temp it can harden and cause clogs. It can also cause your issue. What should happen unless you preheat is that when you hit print the bed will heat, then the extruder will heat. When it reaches temp the print will begin.

If you preheat like some do then it is a good idea to keep an eye on the printer or know about how long it takes to get to temp and start the print as soon as possible. Your issue and a few others is why it is good to add a skirt of a few lines a few mm from the print. This purges any hardening filament and gets a good flow going before the actual print starts.

How do you pre heat your hot end? Do you hit print let it almost get up to temp
And then insert filament into the hot end before the print starts? Or what’s the best way to do it?


Also what about after a print? During cool down, should I remove the filament to prevent anything from melting inside and clogging for the future print?

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evanboothe wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

Don't let it sit so long without printing. Seriously. In any printer if filament sits too long in the heatblock at temp it can harden and cause clogs. It can also cause your issue. What should happen unless you preheat is that when you hit print the bed will heat, then the extruder will heat. When it reaches temp the print will begin.

If you preheat like some do then it is a good idea to keep an eye on the printer or know about how long it takes to get to temp and start the print as soon as possible. Your issue and a few others is why it is good to add a skirt of a few lines a few mm from the print. This purges any hardening filament and gets a good flow going before the actual print starts.

How do you pre heat your hot end? Do you hit print let it almost get up to temp
And then insert filament into the hot end before the print starts? Or what’s the best way to do it?


Also what about after a print? During cool down, should I remove the filament to prevent anything from melting inside and clogging for the future print?


If you just follow the common process it should never be an issue. Especially with an authentic E3D. Once you load a roll of filament you should never have to touch the filament again till you are ready to change rolls.

If you print live meaning connected to Repetier then just load your model, slice it, and hit print. When it it done it will cool fast enough to not be an issue. If you print from sdcard then the firmware will handle the work and it will work the same as if it was connected.

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Got home today and took apart my hot end just to make sure nothing was jammed up inside there.. while I was looking at it I noticed the heat break wasn’t straight.. so now I’ll have to order one hopefully I can have it by the weekend. This could have been causing some feed issues.

While I’m waiting on my heat break to come in the mail could you tell me the best way to wire up my layer fan? What pins and what settings I should use?

Don’t mind my ugly ass fingers.

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Improper assembly, ensure you aren’t applying any twisting force on the break during tightening of the nozzle.

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wardjr wrote:

Improper assembly, ensure you aren’t applying any twisting force on the break during tightening of the nozzle.

Will definitely make sure I don’t this time, I can’t believe I didn’t notice this. I just read through the assembly file on e3d’s site again, I definitely didn’t follow that properly. Could this cause some jamming issues??

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Absolutely
Read and re-read then be careful.  It doesn’t take a lot of force to tighten properly.  During the heat tightening process you’ll stop just as you feel the nozzle squeak.  If that makes sense wink

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wardjr wrote:

Absolutely
Read and re-read then be careful.  It doesn’t take a lot of force to tighten properly.  During the heat tightening process you’ll stop just as you feel the nozzle squeak.  If that makes sense wink

Makes sense to me! Much appreciated, thank you.

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evanboothe wrote:

Got home today and took apart my hot end just to make sure nothing was jammed up inside there.. while I was looking at it I noticed the heat break wasn’t straight.. so now I’ll have to order one hopefully I can have it by the weekend. This could have been causing some feed issues.

While I’m waiting on my heat break to come in the mail could you tell me the best way to wire up my layer fan? What pins and what settings I should use?

Don’t mind my ugly ass fingers.

http://soliforum.com/i/?GCtPxJ6.jpg

There are only two controlled fan ports on your board. 1.24 and 2.5 so you would have to connect the layer fan to 2.5 and set the host to turn it on after 1 or 2 layers are printed. The issue will be the issue you had earlier and that will be getting the host to control port 2.4.

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