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Topic: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

hi, im new here, i convert a davinci 1.0 with ramps 1.4 and full graphic LCD, everything is ok so far but i cant set the level of the axis Z, when i try to start a printing just for testing starts almos 1cm or more from the bed, the z cant touch or at least get close to the bed.

what can i do? thanks.

btw im using marlyn 1.1.5, and using the davinci factory endstops.

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Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

ingdonovan wrote:

hi, im new here, i convert a davinci 1.0 with ramps 1.4 and full graphic LCD, everything is ok so far but i cant set the level of the axis Z, when i try to start a printing just for testing starts almos 1cm or more from the bed, the z cant touch or at least get close to the bed.

what can i do? thanks.

btw im using marlyn 1.1.5, and using the davinci factory endstops.

You need to add an offset in your start gcode to add or take away the distance needed.

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Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

First, make sure you can move z axis on both direction. If your endstop cable is problematic or your endstop is burned, you can only move your z axis up but not down.

If your printer z axis move both direction, and home correctly, but move to 10mm above the bed before printing, change your z-offset with M206 gcode command.

https://airtripper.com/1799/marlin-firm … code-m206/

My speculation is you burned your z-axis endstop. I converted two Jr. to RAMPS, everyone burned z-axis endstop but not x-axis or y-axis. I read two different guides on how to convert Jr. to RAMPS, at least one of them mentioned burned z-axis endstop but not x-axis or y-axis. The other guide used mechanic endstop.

I dissambled a cheap old inkject printer that run out ink (which is expensive), and used the optical endstop on my z-axis. If you don't have access to that, you can use the part from broken or old computer mouse that have middle wheel, or order one online. or switch to mechanic endstop.

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4 (edited by carl_m1968 2017-10-12 21:03:28)

Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

yizhou.he wrote:

First, make sure you can move z axis on both direction. If your endstop cable is problematic or your endstop is burned, you can only move your z axis up but not down.

If your printer z axis move both direction, and home correctly, but move to 10mm above the bed before printing, change your z-offset with M206 gcode command.

https://airtripper.com/1799/marlin-firm … code-m206/

My speculation is you burned your z-axis endstop. I converted two Jr. to RAMPS, everyone burned z-axis endstop but not x-axis or y-axis. I read two different guides on how to convert Jr. to RAMPS, at least one of them mentioned burned z-axis endstop but not x-axis or y-axis. The other guide used mechanic endstop.

I dissambled a cheap old inkject printer that run out ink (which is expensive), and used the optical endstop on my z-axis. If you don't have access to that, you can use the part from broken or old computer mouse that have middle wheel, or order one online. or switch to mechanic endstop.


He already said everything is fine except when it goes to print start position it is always 10 mm above the bed. All he needs to do is add a close to a 10mjm offset to his startup gcode or wit the m command you mentioned. However I would start at a smaller value then add to get closer. You don't want to actually hit and or dig into the bed by going too low.

I have noticed in many of your post you tend to assume people have the same expertise as you and that is not often the case around here. Many 3d printer owners have absolutely no technical experience. So just starting right off with a complicated procedure like swapping endstops or removing them from a scrap printer is not always in a person range of skills. For you maybe, but for them it would not be.

You should always give them the easiest fixes first. Let them try those and give you the result then escalate to a tougher fix if they feel they can do it and the easier fix failed to correct the problem.

Also avoid giving them a list of things as they will not know which step fixed the issue in the event it happens again. Give them one fix and wait for them to reply with the result.

Setting up and using a 3d printer can be a tough job for some and throwing a list of things for them to do for a problem will simply overwhelm them further and possibly push them away from a fun hobby.

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Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

When I test my machine for the first time, I also thought everything is fine except my z-axis not moving on one direction. I thought some setting in Marlin is wrong. After long struggling, it turns out the cable is not reliable.

He converted Jr. to RAMPS box and even use da vinci factory endstops which involves soldering two resistance in certain way and relative complicated wire making. So I assume he can handle this. I think it is just some possibility he did not anticipated get in his way, that's why I give him list of possibility of thing that can went wrong.

I also advice people not to mess with their machine if it is not broken.

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Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

hi. thanks for all the answers, my endtops are in good working condition so far, i have a very high technical knowledge so no problem with that. i will try to measure the space between my heater and the bed and add as you guys says with the gcode 206 and let you know.

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Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

1cm higher is very odd, you don't usually get to that range of z-offset adjustment. Assuming you did not change your hotend or modify your glassbed. Please post configuration.h from your Marlin code or Repetitor-firmware and the startup gcode of your slicing software.

Also a picture of inside of your printer will be very helpful if the above method did not work. sometimes a cable or something else you added to the printer can prevent the z-axis from coming down after raising and move to the printing area. This happen to me once after I changed the hotend to E3D. Changed everything in setting still can not lower the nozzle because something else in the back touched the glass bed first and stop the nozzle to come down further.

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yizhou.he wrote:

1cm higher is very odd, you don't usually get to that range of z-offset adjustment. Assuming you did not change your hotend or modify your glassbed. Please post configuration.h from your Marlin code or Repetitor-firmware and the startup gcode of your slicing software.

Also a picture of inside of your printer will be very helpful if the above method did not work. sometimes a cable or something else you added to the printer can prevent the z-axis from coming down after raising and move to the printing area. This happen to me once after I changed the hotend to E3D. Changed everything in setting still can not lower the nozzle because something else in the back touched the glass bed first and stop the nozzle to come down further.


Its not odd at all. When I converted my 1.0 to ramps my Z would have a 6mm offset until I corrected my start gcode to compensate for it. The issue is that in the stock firmware and software that is all done already so you never have to mess with it.

But the truth is the point at which the Z end stop actually activates is several mm from where the nozzle is at optimal distance from the bed.

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Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

I used Anthem's setting for Marlin, his setting for Z-axis is -1.8mm, I converted two Jr. the z-offset after fine tune is +-0.4mm
If you convert Da vinci 1.0, the print bed is adjustable, so 6mm is not surprise, but Jr. bed is not adjustable, the difference should be very small. Unless he modified his print bed or the hotend or the endstop position, I don't see why he will have 10mm in error.

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10 (edited by ingdonovan 2017-10-15 10:35:13)

Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

yizhou.he wrote:

1cm higher is very odd, you don't usually get to that range of z-offset adjustment. Assuming you did not change your hotend or modify your glassbed. Please post configuration.h from your Marlin code or Repetitor-firmware and the startup gcode of your slicing software.

Also a picture of inside of your printer will be very helpful if the above method did not work. sometimes a cable or something else you added to the printer can prevent the z-axis from coming down after raising and move to the printing area. This happen to me once after I changed the hotend to E3D. Changed everything in setting still can not lower the nozzle because something else in the back touched the glass bed first and stop the nozzle to come down further.


hi, i dont know if is correct but this is the configuration.h

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11 (edited by yizhou.he 2017-10-15 15:17:31)

Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

Ok, this is all make sense now.
Change
#define MANUAL_Z_HOME_POS -12.5
to
#define MANUAL_Z_HOME_POS -1.8

you still need to fine tune the z-offset with M206 command, but should increase/decrease 0.2mm at a time.

Also your extruder step is too high, might have over-extrusion problem and 2nd layer shift problem.
change
#define DEFAULT_AXIS_STEPS_PER_UNIT   { 88, 80, 2560, 155 }
to
#define DEFAULT_AXIS_STEPS_PER_UNIT   { 88, 80, 2560, 88 }

This value ususally range from 80-88, you have to fine tune on your own machine, if you get a lots of click noise from extruder, this value is too high. if you infill have gaps, increase this value.

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12 (edited by ingdonovan 2017-10-16 12:09:23)

Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

I did some changes before read your answer i will try today.

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Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

hi, now my nozzle get clogged when printing something..... i set the extruder steps to 84mm to reduce the clicking nouse but after set from 155 as before to 80-88 now my nozzle get clogged.. what could be happening?

on the other hands just in case which nozzle and extruder could work better that the factory for upgrading?

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Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

First, make sure your hotend fan are cooling sufficiently. if cooling is not sufficent, you get clog with PLA. Play with fan speed, check if your fan is installed in wrong direction, make sure your fan automatically turns on above 50C.

2nd, Make sure the extruder motor current is high enough, if you give the filament a push manually, the filament goes through, then you need increase motor driver current.

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15 (edited by ingdonovan 2017-11-05 22:13:16)

Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

My Printer Heat Break Hotend Throat Tube Pipes is bad.. sad... the teflon tube that is inside this part is broken...

16 (edited by yizhou.he 2017-11-06 05:16:14)

Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

Don't worry, find a replacement on ebay or amazon, not very expensive.

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss … end+throat

Once you get the hotend fixed, you should print out an E3D mount so that you can switch to E3D hotend in the furture. Unlike the stock hotend, E3D almost never jam, and it is inexpensive. $5-9 each depend on you want the fan or not. The hotend is good, the fan is so so. I usually buy the $5 version without fan and buy an 40mm 7200rpm quiet ball bearing fan separately.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CS … &psc=1

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1747277

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1724209

you should print a good fan mount that also cools your print. I don't have much luck with the fan mount comes with Jr. E3d, I use on for E3D mount that designed for MonoPrice mini, the E3D mount is different, but the fan mount at interchangeable.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1921356
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2345316
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2348424

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17 (edited by ingdonovan 2017-11-14 14:48:18)

Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

I did this, now is time to setup again i think. Is a e3d as your advise.. it is cool, and comes with differents nozzles feom 0.2 to 0.8mm. I have just one 3d printer so i cant print parts until the one i have works. I had to mod the quick release hotend and it is looks good so far. Hope works well

http://soliforum.com/i/?CU7anNT.jpg

http://soliforum.com/i/?scdawGv.jpg

http://soliforum.com/i/?EeXZqVu.jpg

http://soliforum.com/i/?4GbVQt5.jpg

18 (edited by yizhou.he 2017-11-14 17:17:36)

Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

It may work just fine, but I slightly worried about the fan, you may get jam on PLA. I think the fan is fine for E3D, but with the stock hotend housing, the cooling may be difficult.

But with E3D, it is easy to clean, simply unscrew the hose connect on top of E3D, push the filament down when hotend is >180C, the pull up, that's it. make sure you cut the filament end before re-insert.

If you have bigger, better fan, I would recommend use it. Once you print out the E3D mount and get rid of the stock hotend housing, the problem will be gone.

Also, E3D fans blow towards the hotend, away from you. It is different from the fan direction of stock hotend which blow towards you and away from the hotend.

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Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

Just realize, if you blow the heat towards to mount you may have an issue with melting the belt.

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Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

yizhou.he wrote:

It may work just fine, but I slightly worried about the fan, you may get jam on PLA. I think the fan is fine for E3D, but with the stock hotend housing, the cooling may be difficult.

But with E3D, it is easy to clean, simply unscrew the hose connect on top of E3D, push the filament down when hotend is >180C, the pull up, that's it. make sure you cut the filament end before re-insert.

If you have bigger, better fan, I would recommend use it. Once you print out the E3D mount and get rid of the stock hotend housing, the problem will be gone.

Also, E3D fans blow towards the hotend, away from you. It is different from the fan direction of stock hotend which blow towards you and away from the hotend.

Is the one gha came with  the E3D hotend, i have the da vinci jr factory one which  is bigger, but i have mors fans around.. this fan blow into the hotend not away...

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Bozotclown1970 wrote:

Just realize, if you blow the heat towards to mount you may have an issue with melting the belt.

It is to fat from the belt, cos is inside the factory housing  and after that the release part.

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Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

Ok, I know in one of these threads there was a guy who melted his belt using the stock mount. He had taken the fan off and reversed it so it would blow in.

23 (edited by ingdonovan 2017-11-15 16:52:33)

Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

This is what happening to me now, i have to replace the z-min cos the new hotend is installed  taller than the original, and hit the bed at ghe beginning.. heheh

24 (edited by ingdonovan 2017-11-15 01:47:08)

Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

Bozotclown1970 wrote:

Ok, I know in one of these threads there was a guy who melted his belt using the stock mount. He had taken the fan off and reversed it so it would blow in.

http://soliforum.com/i/?M3pSluk.jpg

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Re: XYZ da vinci 1.0 jr converted to ramps 1.4 - Z level problem

You need to measure the distance the bed is too high at and at an offset of that much to your start gcode. That way it will be added to every print.

You are also printing way too fast for a  Da Vinci. You need to slow down to 35mm/s or slower. A safer number is 25 to 30. The Da Vinci hardware is not meant for speed.

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