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Topic: SD Workbech prints uneaven layer thicknes and warping

Got my Workbench after 18 weeks of waiting !
Open the box and it lacks any kind of getting started guide.
After alot of googling and trying to get software from div. broken links on the SD webpage I finaly managed to get up and running.
Nothing sticks to the surface, after more googleing it will never, I have the glass plate on.
How can it not be a number one topic on the SD webpage etc that you can not print directly on the glass. Need to prepare it with,
tape/gluestick/hairspray/abs slurry. I went for tape and it works good.

My Problem now is the uneaven quality.
As you cna see on the picture the closest long side is printed good. the furtest most side is not its get all bumpy and bad.

Further more after a while when 10ish layers are printed the ends of the printed objects come loose.

Im using Repetier-HostSoliDoodle with all the solidoodle workbench scripts for slic3r. aswell as the fillament and printer scripts.
Only modified them a little bt adding brims and other stuff to help prevent warping and better adhesion layer 1.

I also use auto levling of the Z, it measures 12 points on the table before printing. (I also made sure the table is level)

Room temp 21c
Hotbed temp i have tried with 95-105c no difference
Extruder temp 200-215c on tests
In slic3r i have enabled so filled areas is not filled 100% to avoid so much materiual to give more warping.

I realy hope anyone can help.

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Re: SD Workbech prints uneaven layer thicknes and warping

Your bed is not level which is why one side looks good. Many users with Solidoodle's bed probes report issues. This is more prominent (more accurately, most reported) among Press users.
You can adjust the bed manually via the 3 screws on your bed. Turning clockwise lowers the bed, counter raises it.

Additionally, if you are printing ABS, remove the painter's tape. That is best for PLA. ABS requires Aquanet Super Extra Hold or a glue stick for maximum adhesion.

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Re: SD Workbech prints uneaven layer thicknes and warping

As i wrote in my post, the table is leveled.
Altho i find the problem.
My tape was not on the entire table so the nozle pressed to close to the table due to the z table probe is awfull and asumed the table was not leveled. Fixed by putting a tape at every probe point.

Now I print smaller objekts perfekt.
Even at 300% feedrate!

Still have the problem with the warping regardles of the print speed.
I ponder, if i change the tape for glue stick, im doubtfull the adhesion will be enough. When i "bend" the warped parts back it take quite a bit of force. Even if the adhesion would be enough, it feels like the object would bend after it is removed?

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Re: SD Workbech prints uneaven layer thicknes and warping

Glue sticks and Aqua Net are proven to work on glass.

Like I said, if you are printing PLA, keep the tape. If ABS, take it off. Once you start printing large parts, you will see significant lifting. ABS can work on painter's tape, yes, but only for small prints. The moment you get into larger footprints, the more significant risk of lifting.

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Re: SD Workbech prints uneaven layer thicknes and warping

Going to try a glue stick. Can you applie it when bed is warm?

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And also,

When i tried to print some small objects. say 15x6x15 I got a very nice print at 100 feedrate, so i did it again at 300% feedrate, they look identical even measure identical with the caliper.

Why would one want to print so slow as the default when it seems to work on 300%

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I've found that the best time to apply glue is while the bed is warming up. So say your target temp is 100c, apply when you get to 60c, then let you bed sit at temp for about 10 minutes. The first print or two may curl a bit, but after that there is a significant bond.

Drastically increasing feedrate is a risk for a clog. If you want to print at faster speeds, it will take calibrating your X, Y, Z, and E. After that, feel free to adjust speeds through your slicer program. Do not attempt to adjust the feedrate for PLA with a stock hotend if you have not properly calibrated your machine. I know all too well the pain that can come from that. Even with ABS, you are limited to a low max temp setting. This will make it very frustrating dealing with an ABS clog.

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Re: SD Workbech prints uneaven layer thicknes and warping

perhaps one should just leave the glue on after print, never remove and hope it gets better and better

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Re: SD Workbech prints uneaven layer thicknes and warping

Think I have made most work now. Found a glue stick that works greate.

Still have problem with layer separation tho, been printing with bed at 100c and extruder at 215c with cooling fan

Im going to try with the bed still at 100c and the extruder att 222c with no cooling fan, cant use cooling fan if one want more then 212c on the extruder........... It cools the extruder to much.

But before I try this id like some input on the Z offset. i did a z-offset calib, look at the picture and say witcho n ye think is best ?

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Re: SD Workbech prints uneaven layer thicknes and warping

Your bed is still not leveled and/or your probe is not working correctly.  Leveling the bed is not a 2 minute task where you just get it close.  It should take multiple calibration prints and carefully watching that first layer for the perfect amount of squish.  By cooling fan, do you mean a fan on the barrel of the hot end or pointed at the nozzle?  If you mean a barrel fan, there is no such thing as too much here.  You want it to cool the barrel to prevent heat creep up the filament, which can lead to clogs.  If you mean a nozzle fan, turn this off entirely for ABS (unless you can set it to turn on only for bridges).  ABS likes to cool slowly to prevent the layer separation that you are experiencing.

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Re: SD Workbech prints uneaven layer thicknes and warping

My table is level within 0.02mm. Much better then it should need to be. The workbench before printing probes the table on 12 points I belive it is. To compensate for table not beeing perfect levled.

My 2 nozzles have cooling fan for fillament.
On top of that i have fan aimed down on the work area.
my squish you can see from the pictrure- i wirked alot with it, think its ok now. I have very good adherance to table

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Re: SD Workbech prints uneaven layer thicknes and warping

gripner wrote:

My table is level within 0.02mm.


How do you know that?  I wouldn't trust the probe read out, there can be play in that too.  The picture shows the nozzle printing way too close to the bed on one side, thats why it looks like nothing is coming out.

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Re: SD Workbech prints uneaven layer thicknes and warping

gripner wrote:

My table is level within 0.02mm. Much better then it should need to be. The workbench before printing probes the table on 12 points I belive it is. To compensate for table not beeing perfect levled.

My 2 nozzles have cooling fan for fillament.
On top of that i have fan aimed down on the work area.
my squish you can see from the pictrure- i wirked alot with it, think its ok now. I have very good adherance to table


Your bed might be level but hat does not mean your gantry is level. So you have to adjust your bed so it matched the same nozzle distance in the middle and all four corners. Also not all in fact most beds are not perfectly flat either so that has to be taken into account.

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Re: SD Workbech prints uneaven layer thicknes and warping

i use a probe to measure the table, not the Z sensor/probe.
move the nozzle around and probe with my tool.

But its very correct as pointed out, the glass bed is not very flat. if i make the 4 corners good, the middle will be quite alot off. say more then 0.4!

but still i can print 1-20 layers perfect with very good adherance to the tale, its normaly layer 30+ that start to have problem with layers not sticking good to eachother.

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Re: SD Workbech prints uneaven layer thicknes and warping

Bought a roll of PLA nowto do some testing

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Then it sounds like your temp may be dropping during printing. Have you watched the temp in the problem area to see if it is stable or lower? You could have too many fans or they are running too much may need to take some off or put them on a PWM controlled output so you can control their speed.

Filament already sucks heat from the hot end if you feed fast. Fans will only add to this issue if they are not controlled.

But then this may not be a the problem at all if the temp remains stable.

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Re: SD Workbech prints uneaven layer thicknes and warping

Temp seems to remain stable looking at the temp curve.

Tried with the fan on or off. no difference. its PWM controlled.

The PLA i bought today and tested with works super good.
Printing with a very good result as standard with 60mm/s feed. Also tried it with 300% feedrate boost and 10% extra flowrate, works perfect!

edit:
the PLA i print at 200c and bed is at 70c.
First tested bed at 50c but object lost adhesion so cranked it up to 70 and now it sticks well on glass with no adition to it.

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Re: SD Workbech prints uneaven layer thicknes and warping

Hi gripner,

I have the same problem , if you look your printer , when the extruder is going for the center of glass bed is when you see that has a bad filament like the last picture that your send us.

if you tried to adjust the z axis could you see that badder or a little better but always you can see it because the platform does not is perfectly parallel. If you have idea or can solve this problem please tell me what or how you?

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Re: SD Workbech prints uneaven layer thicknes and warping

I have stoped fiddling with ABS and use PLA, works greate. just need to do Z-offset calibration with soliprint.

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Re: SD Workbech prints uneaven layer thicknes and warping

How you connect your workbench with solid print?
Can you explain me?

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Re: SD Workbech prints uneaven layer thicknes and warping

down the bottom in soliprint you have a dropdownbox that after staring the software say: Printers available. just chose your workbench there

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Re: SD Workbech prints uneaven layer thicknes and warping

The hot filament needs a chance to stick to the previous layer before you move on. Layer height can play  big part in this.

If you have a 0.4mm nozzle, try a layer height of 0.32mm so each properly bond to the layer beneath it.

Also, ABS typically needs to be printed around 220-235C to create a strong bond between the layers.

ABS is known to want to warp on big (tall) parts because it pulls or shrinks when it cools but it should be solvable for small parts.

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