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Re: Metal version of Thingiverse "Threadless Ballscrew"

This is my new test shape for checking for z alignment issues. It only runs 150mm so that it can be printed on the  SD2 as well. If you run it with no infill you should be able to see any faults in the Z axis.

http://2n2r5.com/pictures/printer/show-n-tell/tall_test.JPG

SD3 w/ mods:
Glass bed with QU-BD heat pad upgrade, threadless ballscrew w/ 8mm smooth rod, spectra line belt replacement, lawsy MK5 extruder, Lawsy replacement carriage, E3D hotend, Ramps 1.4 w/ reprap discount controller, DRV8825 drivers, 12v 30A PS, Acrylic case, Overkill Y-idlers, Filament alarm, Extruder fan + more.

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Thanks 2n2r5

This picture justifies just how much this enhance's the quality of your print's

Amazing as usual

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Hey everybody

Don't think I have forgotten about you I've just been busy with my job and this is a
side project.

I still have two more ops to go but it's getting there.

Initially I'm creating 4 for testing. I will be sending out two of them,
one to Ian Johnson, 2n2r5 and I'll be keeping one for myself.

The fourth will be sent to the winner in the Christmas raffle

The part still has to be faced on the mill so it will be about a 1/16" of an inch smaller then the photo.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m158/Techbuilder/20131126_215540.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m158/Techbuilder/20131126_215605.jpg

Powder coated steel enclosure, 1/4" Surface grounded hardened aluminum plate, MK2A Heat bed, .200 Polished fused quartz plate, Machined quick change hot bed mount, E3D hot end, Ramps 1.4, DRV8825 stepper motor drivers

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Re: Metal version of Thingiverse "Threadless Ballscrew"

How is the printed one working for ya?

SD3 w/ mods:
Glass bed with QU-BD heat pad upgrade, threadless ballscrew w/ 8mm smooth rod, spectra line belt replacement, lawsy MK5 extruder, Lawsy replacement carriage, E3D hotend, Ramps 1.4 w/ reprap discount controller, DRV8825 drivers, 12v 30A PS, Acrylic case, Overkill Y-idlers, Filament alarm, Extruder fan + more.

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I haven't had the chance to use it on the printer since I figured I'd wait till I finish the metal version

I'm getting really impatient though and was amazed when I tested it down the 8mm rod.

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I think it's fun seeing all the various parts spinning when ever the Z moves.  The only thing that would make it better is some unnecessary blinking LEDs.

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Re: Metal version of Thingiverse "Threadless Ballscrew"

I think I want one! My 5mm rod is bent causing some banding. I have some leftover 8mm rod from my carriage upgrade.... Do I want to take my machine apart right now though.....

On another note. Is there any left to be claimed? I am interested in one.

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I would order everything you need such as bearings, washers and socket head screws first.
I should be done with the remaining orders in 2-4 weeks so it gives you some time before you have to take everything apart.

I most definitely have some available and I'll add you to the list.

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Sounds good. I'll keep an eye out.

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Going to run the printed version next week when my coupler arrives.

Any more pics to tease us?

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This weekend I'll have a big teaser pic up

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Re: Metal version of Thingiverse "Threadless Ballscrew"

So does this one have that problem with uneven up/down movements?  I still don't understand why you need to rotate a different amount to go upwards..

63 (edited by adrian 2013-12-14 01:11:45)

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ITman496 wrote:

So does this one have that problem with uneven up/down movements?  I still don't understand why you need to rotate a different amount to go upwards..

In a simple one word answer - "Gravity".

Upwards you have to overcome the additional weight of pushing the platform 'up' which requires more energy than it does to push down where the weight of the platform assists movement which causes additional friction to overcome against the rod.

Consequently, an upward motion actually causes the bearings to 'climb' less than a downward motion enables them to 'descend' .

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I mean, Adrian, I understand why it might slip more easily going up than down, but gravity doesn't really make sense as an explanation to me, though I could understand your giving that answer and that it could be true.

I thought these things climbed by being at slight angles, and riding up a "groove" [not really a groove] made by friction and the angle the bearings are at.

Does the angle the bearings make with the horizon change on the way down because it's not tilted the same way by the weight or something?

Does anyone have the trade journal paper that  describes these guys?  I guess I don't really understand how they work

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they don't exhibit the same behavior in a horizontal plane, where they are more traditionally used within linear motion.... hence me dumbing it down to "gravity". pushing up, as the bearings roll against the face of the rod, they actually will microslip, causing less upward motion. Downwards they also microslip, but its in an advantageous direction.

I probably could have said 'friction coefficients' but that wasn't dumbing it down enough I thought (and I wasn't doing it for your benefit, more for making a simple explanation for greater and wider readership - so sorry if it seemed apparently condescending...)

But I am by no means an expert and could be full of it smile This is simply my understanding and extrapolated belief on the basis of their non-exhibition of the problem in a "parallel to earth" orientation...

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Oh, I didn't realize it micro-slipped.  Is it consistent?  Seems like it would cause accuracy problems..

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ITman496 wrote:

Oh, I didn't realize it micro-slipped.  Is it consistent?  Seems like it would cause accuracy problems..

its a constant in the respective directions, so is fine in that regard as it is factored in. But the constants are just different due to the different forces at play.

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adrian wrote:
ITman496 wrote:

Oh, I didn't realize it micro-slipped.  Is it consistent?  Seems like it would cause accuracy problems..

its a constant in the respective directions, so is fine in that regard as it is factored in. But the constants are just different due to the different forces at play.

Adrian is 100% correct as usual smile
Threads allow the weight to be rested on where gravity is minute.

A threadless screw doesn't have that semi benefit however it does have the benefit of not having a small amount of backlash due to the fact that there are no threads and no gaps between threads.

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Is it gravity in respect to the angle of the bearings?  Supposedly putting two bearing assemblies back to back gives you the same steps/mm in both directions.  Or is the extra support of the second assembly preventing the slippage?

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The angle of the bearing dictates how much surface area is on the harden shaft so gravity plays it's part on the resistance from the bearings to the harden shaft.

I would imagine that it would increase resistance so it would help somewhat as to how much I have no clue since I've never
tried it.

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Is it gravity in respect to the angle of the bearings?  Supposedly putting two bearing assemblies back to back gives you the same steps/mm in both directions.  Or is the extra support of the second assembly preventing the slippage?

This I have tried. Although you effectively double the surface area on the shaft, you increase torsional resistance on the rod. The stepper needs to be much more powerful/driven slow to account for this and the distance traveled is still asymmetrical, although to a lesser extent.

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How accurate and repeatable is this leadscrew rider?

Got a thread in RepRap Forum

http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?14,328230

with all kinds of tests?

I am looking for an accurate / repeatable  design / items.

Tnx

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Are these being made still. I would be interested in one