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Topic: WTF!! Im going crazy, what is wrong

To my knowledge after countless adjusting my belts are at right tension steps are right (using 1/32 w gt2 belts 20tooth pulleys) steps are x and y 160, z 1600, e 200. Idk if slurry is too thick or thin (still curling abit) print goes okay and than to hell. Small prints seem good. My single wall calibration cube is 0.52mm thick (might be prob or adding to another prob) attached pics of slic3r settings and this damn AR lower that ive attempted 20 times siff models and all, driving me bonkers....as usual ty for any help

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"All your base are belong to us." SD4 with a RUMBA, supernight PS, 40mm fan on X motor, lawsey carriages with new better tolerance rods, flanged rear bearings, new NEMA 17 with leadscrew on Z-Axis, and e3d v6 with MK5.


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Mendelmax 1.5 kit is on its way....this thing may just be headed to ebay or buy and sell on here...did every mod and upgrade possible to achieve good prints. Hopefully its just a stupid software setting/issue

"All your base are belong to us." SD4 with a RUMBA, supernight PS, 40mm fan on X motor, lawsey carriages with new better tolerance rods, flanged rear bearings, new NEMA 17 with leadscrew on Z-Axis, and e3d v6 with MK5.


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3 (edited by n2ri 2015-02-13 07:12:11)

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looks like it started skipping at end due to something. hot end melted print some too. is MB being cooled?

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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Mb is cool as cucumber, its in stock housing w the 30mm fan on bottom blowimg up and i have a 40mm fan blowing in across drv8825's

"All your base are belong to us." SD4 with a RUMBA, supernight PS, 40mm fan on X motor, lawsey carriages with new better tolerance rods, flanged rear bearings, new NEMA 17 with leadscrew on Z-Axis, and e3d v6 with MK5.


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One thing i have noticed is x carriage wobbles like a bastard, stock was nice and tight thanks to adjustable nulon block, but w these lmu bearjngs it moves too much which I think is big lroblem. I was going back to stock x carriage tomorrow and do away w bearing one

"All your base are belong to us." SD4 with a RUMBA, supernight PS, 40mm fan on X motor, lawsey carriages with new better tolerance rods, flanged rear bearings, new NEMA 17 with leadscrew on Z-Axis, and e3d v6 with MK5.


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I see your that you have the your extrusion multiplier at 1.0 . You might try  to lower it abit. Also your nozzle says .42.  Funny thing is that I have a .4 nozzle but I get best results by telling it it's a .5 nozzle and setting  the extrusion multiplier to .60.

SD3, E3D hotend,linear bearing on x/y axis',pillow block bearing on y conneting rod, ball bearngs on front y axis, fan on y stepper motor.

7 (edited by OneMoreCast 2015-02-13 07:21:14)

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satman49 wrote:

I see your that you have the your extrusion multiplier at 1.0 . You might try  to lower it abit. Also your nozzle says .42.  Funny thing is that I have a .4 nozzle but I get best results by telling it it's a .5 nozzle and setting  the extrusion multiplier to .60.


Thanks sat, ill change carriage (wobble is never good and im not too worried about x not having linear bearings) and change settings and see what happens.

"All your base are belong to us." SD4 with a RUMBA, supernight PS, 40mm fan on X motor, lawsey carriages with new better tolerance rods, flanged rear bearings, new NEMA 17 with leadscrew on Z-Axis, and e3d v6 with MK5.


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8 (edited by redbarret 2015-02-13 08:55:32)

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I don't think the multiplier is meant to be set to anything other than 1.0+-1.
I think it is 0.6 by default for historical reasons because Solidoodle used a different nozzle diameter back in the day and didn't know Slic3r very well.

The Extrusion multiplier setting allows the fine tuning of the extrusion flow rate, and is is given as a factor, e.g. 1 means 100%, 1.5 would mean 150%. Whilst the value should ideally be set in the firmware it can be useful to test slight changes to the rate by altering this value. It varies the amount of plastic proportionally and should be changed in very small steps (e.g. +/- 0.05) as the effects are very visible.

http://manual.slic3r.org/simple-mode/simple-mode

Of course changing the nozzle diameter to higher value than your physical nozzle will result in more plastic being pulled in, and then you'll need to "fix" that by say lowering the extrusion multiplier.
But just don't raise the nozzle diameter in the first place. It won't work any differently as far as I know.

As for what I'm seeing, it could be

1) Filament tangling in the roll.
Try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JQKn95512M
This would prevent the motor from moving for a short time and cause few step skips.

That , or the roll doesn't rotate easily on the spool for whatever reason.

2) X motor getting hot in few places and skipping

3) motherboard getting hot. unlikely I think for a SD4.

4) unlikely to be a zwobble on the very top layers. but it does look like zwobble on some layers.
Zwobble is more of a problem with the Z axis, not the carriage.
http://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=sol … le&sa=

It doesn't seem to be like the hotend melted anything. To me it just looks like the X offset shifted from step skipping and some filament had nothing below it so it "melted" down a bit as it does at big angles with no support.

Your bed adhesion is decent at least.
Oh wait, its an Mk2 tongue

Solidoodle 4

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Why is there wobble in your carriage???  Are the bearings loose on the rod or loose in the carriage?  If loose in the carriage that is an easy fix wrap some tape around the bearings before putting them in the carriage to act as a shim.
Not need to go backward with things just slow down and think it through.
Things cant wobble or be loose on the mechanical side of things.  You are most likely over extruding some as well.

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wardjr wrote:

Why is there wobble in your carriage???  Are the bearings loose on the rod or loose in the carriage?  If loose in the carriage that is an easy fix wrap some tape around the bearings before putting them in the carriage to act as a shim.
Not need to go backward with things just slow down and think it through.
Things cant wobble or be loose on the mechanical side of things.  You are most likely over extruding some as well.


I thought it was loose in the bearings, until i took whole setup off I found it in carriage. Added some electrical tape to bearings...solid as a rock. Ty for that ward, as usual always w right or great answer. Now to fix over extrusion that keeps adding up.

"All your base are belong to us." SD4 with a RUMBA, supernight PS, 40mm fan on X motor, lawsey carriages with new better tolerance rods, flanged rear bearings, new NEMA 17 with leadscrew on Z-Axis, and e3d v6 with MK5.


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11 (edited by jagowilson 2015-02-13 20:35:10)

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Your settings are all wrong again. Set the nozzle diameter to 0.4, and all extrusion widths to 0.48 (play around with these after you get some good prints). Filament diameter to 1.75. Calibrate extrusion multiplier using a cube and calipers--should be in the range of 0.8 to 1.

You're going to want a fan, or use the cooling settings (filament tab) to slow down for that print. It looks terrible because the filament isn't cooling down fast enough. Doesn't matter what machine you use that print will be a challenge.

You also have significant Moire. Adjust the E axis trimpot down some more; with 1/32 microstepping (your RUMBA w/ DRV8825s), you should be able to eliminate it entirely.

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redbarret wrote:

I don't think the multiplier is meant to be set to anything other than 1.0+-1.
I think it is 0.6 by default for historical reasons because Solidoodle used a different nozzle diameter back in the day and didn't know Slic3r very well.

The Extrusion multiplier setting allows the fine tuning of the extrusion flow rate, and is is given as a factor, e.g. 1 means 100%, 1.5 would mean 150%. Whilst the value should ideally be set in the firmware it can be useful to test slight changes to the rate by altering this value. It varies the amount of plastic proportionally and should be changed in very small steps (e.g. +/- 0.05) as the effects are very visible.

http://manual.slic3r.org/simple-mode/simple-mode

Of course changing the nozzle diameter to higher value than your physical nozzle will result in more plastic being pulled in, and then you'll need to "fix" that by say lowering the extrusion multiplier.
But just don't raise the nozzle diameter in the first place. It won't work any differently as far as I know.

As for what I'm seeing, it could be

1) Filament tangling in the roll.
Try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JQKn95512M
This would prevent the motor from moving for a short time and cause few step skips.

That , or the roll doesn't rotate easily on the spool for whatever reason.

2) X motor getting hot in few places and skipping

3) motherboard getting hot. unlikely I think for a SD4.

4) unlikely to be a zwobble on the very top layers. but it does look like zwobble on some layers.
Zwobble is more of a problem with the Z axis, not the carriage.
http://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=sol … le&sa=

It doesn't seem to be like the hotend melted anything. To me it just looks like the X offset shifted from step skipping and some filament had nothing below it so it "melted" down a bit as it does at big angles with no support.

Your bed adhesion is decent at least.
Oh wait, its an Mk2 tongue

X motor has a fan on it and stays pretty cool...before fan it was way hot and didnt have these probs. the extruder motor on other hand gets pretty damn hot occasionally, even w heatsink and fan

"All your base are belong to us." SD4 with a RUMBA, supernight PS, 40mm fan on X motor, lawsey carriages with new better tolerance rods, flanged rear bearings, new NEMA 17 with leadscrew on Z-Axis, and e3d v6 with MK5.


Ward and Jago are my heroes tongue

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jagowilson wrote:

Your settings are all wrong again. Set the nozzle diameter to 0.4, and all extrusion widths to 0.48 (play around with these after you get some good prints). Filament diameter to 1.75. Calibrate extrusion multiplier using a cube and calipers--should be in the range of 0.8 to 1.

You're going to want a fan, or use the cooling settings (filament tab) to slow down for that print. It looks terrible because the filament isn't cooling down fast enough. Doesn't matter what machine you use that print will be a challenge.

You also have significant Moire. Adjust the E axis trimpot down some more; with 1/32 microstepping (your RUMBA w/ DRV8825s), you should be able to eliminate it entirely.


The two saviors you and ward to the rescue (this is basically your printer lol) reassembling now and will change settings and do slme tests. Than print out a fan for nozzle. Ty ty ty

"All your base are belong to us." SD4 with a RUMBA, supernight PS, 40mm fan on X motor, lawsey carriages with new better tolerance rods, flanged rear bearings, new NEMA 17 with leadscrew on Z-Axis, and e3d v6 with MK5.


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In my experience there is no reason to get frustrated.  Someone else here has most likely had the same problems and frustrations you are feeling right now.  All you ever need to do is ask and that is what makes this community so great smile
Good luck and happy printing

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As far as adjusting drv's...i used the chart (cant find it now) to a t of the numbers, if anything they were below by .2-4...in adjusting the E (all for that matter) lower is safer but should I go way below limit or no

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Use your eyes and ears and I guarantee you will have better results. Remember tiny adjustments have a huge impact.

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jagowilson wrote:

Use your eyes and ears and I guarantee you will have better results. Remember tiny adjustments have a huge impact.

+1

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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Been looking for stls for a fan mount to use w lawseys carriage Mk5 and e3d v6...coming up blank. Any of you guys have stl or name i can search for, coming up blank

"All your base are belong to us." SD4 with a RUMBA, supernight PS, 40mm fan on X motor, lawsey carriages with new better tolerance rods, flanged rear bearings, new NEMA 17 with leadscrew on Z-Axis, and e3d v6 with MK5.


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http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:547266
The trick is to use the newest filter on thingiverse

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jagowilson wrote:

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:547266
The trick is to use the newest filter on thingiverse


Ty kind sir...I found another but requires whole new body mount...this is better

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So heres that fan mount print using new settings. Nozzle at .4 extrusion multiplier .8, all extrusion values under advanced extrusion width at .48, except support thats at .21. Im going to bump multiplier up to 0.9...and run .4mm thin wall calibration

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Single wall reads, .42, .47, .56 and .48

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If I am reading that correctly you have some play in one axis and not the other.
Also really like to see a temp chart.  Something isn't working properly.

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3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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A temp chart during print or at idle...or both

"All your base are belong to us." SD4 with a RUMBA, supernight PS, 40mm fan on X motor, lawsey carriages with new better tolerance rods, flanged rear bearings, new NEMA 17 with leadscrew on Z-Axis, and e3d v6 with MK5.


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Ill redo single wall and denote which side is which...and its orientation in plate

"All your base are belong to us." SD4 with a RUMBA, supernight PS, 40mm fan on X motor, lawsey carriages with new better tolerance rods, flanged rear bearings, new NEMA 17 with leadscrew on Z-Axis, and e3d v6 with MK5.


Ward and Jago are my heroes tongue