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Topic: people with glass bed mods

to hold the hot glass plate as it cools and then keep it from being broken when trying to remove print. does anyone use like a piece of thick plywood with a hollowed out/frame to lay glass plate in to help hold it while sliding razor under print to remove?. Im thinking of using my Dremel router to make a depression the size of glass plate to lay in with an inch or 2 frame around it

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Nope, Just lay it up on it's side against something till it cools to room temp, then the prints just pop right off. Don't have to scrap or pry any. Only glass I broke is the one I dropped on the floor.

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3 (edited by n2ri 2014-11-06 01:48:33)

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wire10ga wrote:

Nope, Just lay it up on it's side against something till it cools to room temp, then the prints just pop right off. Don't have to scrap or pry any. Only glass I broke is the one I dropped on the floor.

do you use anything to get prints to stick at start? like glue stick for ABS or do you only use PLA

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

4 (edited by wire10ga 2014-11-06 12:43:58)

Re: people with glass bed mods

I use a light dusting of hairspray on the glass and print with ABS. Have not had any issues with prints not sticking even on bigger prints.  Main thing I do is let the bed heat up, then I let it stay at temp (95 for mine) for a while till the whole bed and glass has been heat soaked. Say 5-10 min after bed 1st hit steady temp.  Also my printer is fully enclosed. This helps get rid of warping, splitting and prints lifting.

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I've been using an 8 x 8 mirror for 2 years now.  I use ABS slurry, just spritz some on glass with a pump sprayer, if it doesn't stick, spritz some more.  After several prints, just use a razor blade to remove excess and begin again.

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Skyblue wrote:

I've been using an 8 x 8 mirror for 2 years now.  I use ABS slurry, just spritz some on glass with a pump sprayer, if it doesn't stick, spritz some more.  After several prints, just use a razor blade to remove excess and begin again.


yes thats why Im making the board posted above due to needing to hold glass and keep flat while scrapping to avoid breaking glass. sick of replacing kaptan tape weekly or after a few uses, as it is sooo thin lately it taers little holes with every use and a PITA to get flat when replacing

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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wire10ga wrote:

Nope, Just lay it up on it's side against something till it cools to room temp, then the prints just pop right off. Don't have to scrap or pry any. Only glass I broke is the one I dropped on the floor.

+1
Once the bed temp gets down to <60c, I can usually just pick up the prints with no effort...the only time I have to pry is when I elect to use purple glue stick...using that, everything stays pretty stuck even at room temp!

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Just my .02 after owning my SD3 for about a year. I used to use glass (pieces of borosilicate), trying slurry or hair sprays, etc but had mixed success (few times actually got pretty disappointed in general over printing.)  Couple months ago upgraded my SD3 with a 1/4" MIC6 bed from McMaster, upgraded Silicone heater running off it's own p/s (got from another member off eBay), external relay, and an 8x8" piece of PEI I got off Amazon.   Maybe ~$120 upgrade and about 15mins worth of work and worth every penny to me. 

Took off the old bed pretty easily and used it as a template for the new bed for the holes.  Drilled 3 holes large enough for the existing screws, then used a larger bit to countersink the holes.  Stuck on new heater to bottom, wired it up (added relay later as a bit too much draw for the Rumba).   Heats up in a few mins, the thicker MIC6 holds the temperature much more stably due to more mass, and ABS sticks to the PEI like super glue. I no longer need any sort of skirt or brim, hair spray, etc when I do prints.  Best upgrade I've ever done.  If you have even a cheap drill press (mine was a cheap Ryobi from HD), then it's a really easy upgrade.

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I first tried a piece of picture frame glass but that didn't work out too well. After doing some reading I upgraded to piece of tempered glass that any glass store can order for you for about $15. I started out with clips on the corners but if you have some the film on your bed and then spray it with hair spray and lay down the glass it holds amazingly well. Others use several pieces of glass but 1 works good for me.

Finally I tried slurry, hairspray and even model glue to hold my prints down but in the end I started using the elmers dissapearing purple glue. Now it HAS to be the purple stuff. Just buy a 3 pack of the sticks that have a cap and you twist them for the glue to come out. Just lay down a fine layer of that when the bed is hot right before you print and works Spectacularly well! I also add a 5mm brim to all my prints and you can get under that with your scraper and it it will usually pop right off. If it doesnt you can start it with an Xacto knife.

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has anyone ever found any extruded aluminum with angled tracks on sides to hold glass plate  edges so you could make a piece of it into the bed and just add back stop plate and a front hinged gate so we could just slide glass plates in like a snug drawer and not have to use clips that restrict print area?

would need extruded part in 6 inch and 8 inch for both style beds

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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OK when you attach the glass plate to aluminum bed with hair spray. how do you remove the glass plate to re-align/level the bed screws without busting the glass?

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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Would have to ask WardJr as he uses this method to hold the glass down.
But once you get the glass up, put on some of these and wont be a problem to level the bed with the glass on.

I use these:
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:38064

Or you could use these:
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:176135
http://www.thingiverse.com/search/page: … mb&sa=

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If the bed is level to start with it should be level afterwards.  Otherwise choose any method to turn them from the bottom.

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http://www.soliforum.com/topic/242/thum … m-beneath/
stl and a full discussion on bed leveling from below.

You could keep the glass on with binders. This makes it a bit easier to swap glass if needed, but then you run the risk the crashing into them. Plus, if your platform is warped, the glass may warp with it over time.

If your kapton is intact without tears or bumps, spray Aqua Net on the bottom of the glass and just plop it on the bed. Let it heat up and cool a couple times and it's solid without the need of binders.

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wire10ga wrote:

Would have to ask WardJr as he uses this method to hold the glass down.
But once you get the glass up, put on some of these and wont be a problem to level the bed with the glass on.

I use these:
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:38064

Or you could use these:
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:176135
http://www.thingiverse.com/search/page: … mb&sa=

only thing about these is the screws go through threaded zerks in aluminum bed with very little sticking through to grip and turn srew from underside and top/head of screws countersunk making this way dificult without using longer screws that would bump bottom when bed is down all the way. maybe if botlt had a pin hole at end to pin through knob or a lock nut so threaded zerks stay and dont get drilled out making bed less firm from moving causing miss aligned print.

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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what about using a Dremel cut off disc to make a slot in tip of screws so a thin flat screw driver could be used from bottom?

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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I also use just hair spray to hold the glass down (thanks to WardJr). You only need a small amount as it's between two flat (ish) surfaces so I find to remove the glass I can just twist it from the base with minimal effort.
When I first started I went a bit mad with the spray and it took a fair bit of force to get it off but now a quick squirt and I know as the bed heats up the glass will be held without issue.
Also remember that when your leveling the bed you don't need to glue the glass down just lie it on the bed that way you can just lift it when needed to tweak the level. I check my level every so often but it remains pretty good even after removing the glass a far few times, my z offset wanders a bit though which I need to sort out at some point.

Personally I like just using hairspray as there is nothing pulling the glass out of level. I can image in some of the worst cases that a warped bed with binders pulling the glass down will only make a minor improvement. Letting the glass sit seems like it will lay flat, but I know we're talking about small amounts at this point.

Now you mention making a slot in the bottom of the leveling screws I'll be doing that as it's a great idea. I'll probably just just a needle file though.
Personally I want to get the bed screws protruding as little as possible to maximize the print volume, as I want to get at least 7x7x7 out of my original SD2.

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what type glass do most use?

standard picture frame glass 3/16" thick seems way thin and fragile besides using it on hot surface which can crack regular glass just from expansion/contraction. what about tempered and thicker double strength or better?

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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n2ri wrote:

what type glass do most use?

standard picture frame glass 3/16" thick seems way thin and fragile besides using it on hot surface which can crack regular glass just from expansion/contraction. what about tempered and thicker double strength or better?

I use standard window glass - got a huge sheet of it at home depot for about $5 and it is plenty big enough to cut several bed-sized pieces from, so even if it happens to crack, I can always just cut a new one (and I've been using the first one for a year or so now with no problems).

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Claghorn wrote:
n2ri wrote:

what type glass do most use?

standard picture frame glass 3/16" thick seems way thin and fragile besides using it on hot surface which can crack regular glass just from expansion/contraction. what about tempered and thicker double strength or better?

I use standard window glass - got a huge sheet of it at home depot for about $5 and it is plenty big enough to cut several bed-sized pieces from, so even if it happens to crack, I can always just cut a new one (and I've been using the first one for a year or so now with no problems).

I have used standard window glass as well.  My SD2 has a 6"x6" piece that is only 2mm thick (.080") that I have been running hard for almost 6 months with no issues.

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IronMan wrote:
Claghorn wrote:
n2ri wrote:

what type glass do most use?

standard picture frame glass 3/16" thick seems way thin and fragile besides using it on hot surface which can crack regular glass just from expansion/contraction. what about tempered and thicker double strength or better?

I use standard window glass - got a huge sheet of it at home depot for about $5 and it is plenty big enough to cut several bed-sized pieces from, so even if it happens to crack, I can always just cut a new one (and I've been using the first one for a year or so now with no problems).

I have used standard window glass as well.  My SD2 has a 6"x6" piece that is only 2mm thick (.080") that I have been running hard for almost 6 months with no issues.

I also have been using the cheap hardware store glass 8"x8" that is 2.3mm's thick for over a year and a half with no issues.
And with a bed heater as big and fast as mine I was concerned with it cracking.  I bough several pieces and have never had a reason to unwrap them.

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cool the picture frame glass I go is 2.47MM/3/16" thick. Lowes sells a 10x12 inch piece for $2.49 incl tax and they cut it for me making 2 6x6 plates for my SD2.

getting sick of the crappy Kaptan tape only done 1 print on fresh application of it and just pulling it loose it ripped a 1 inch patch out of the cheap Octave Kaptan tape from Amazon.

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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I use the more expensive locally cut glass to support local businesses, so I pay $5 for 6x6x1/8" mirror. I have clear glass at the same price and dimensions, but the mirror just feels less brittle.

Keep the kapton on if it still has a smooth surface. Generously spray Aqua Net Extra Super Hold on the bottom of the glass/mirror. Slap it on the aluminum bed without using any binders. Then cycle the heat on the bed a couple times and you will not need any binders. Seriously....you will need a putty knife to get it loose. This is perfect if you have a wapred/warping bed. It helps adhesion issues as well negates the warping of the aluminum bed.

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I have a few removal tools, strait razor blade with the thingaverse holder handle, cake icing knife and 6" stainless baking scraper both from Walmart kitchen isle I can use razor blade to get under tight prints then slide either of the other tools under razor to lift loose. also some small prints can be knocked off with a swift swing of the icing knife.

what will take the sharp edges off glass plate so it dont cut me?

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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Emory cloth from the plumbing isle of any hardware store.

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