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Topic: Filawinder - Fried my Nano?

Currently, my filawinder is not working at all. All that happens when you turn the power on (auto or manual) is the servo jerks to the left, then nothing. Pushing buttons or knob does nothing. I've tried to get the troubleshooting window open, but have nothing working there either. I've got the jumper on the 2 D11 pins, the usb connected to PC, and Arduino IDE open with serial monitor on 9600 like in the image. Nothing shows in the window. I try all the buttons and knob and different settings in the IDE, and nothing.

I've tried to reupload the 9a sketch, only to fail. I only get this generic error that basically says the nano is not connected properly (stk500_getsync(): not in sync: resp=0x00). The PX light blinks 3 times quickly when I click upload (Send: 0 [30]   [20] ), then nothing. I've tried all the driver and program reinstalls as suggested by the search on that, but no dice. It just doesnt seem to be connecting. It does nothing when the reset is pushed on the nano, and I've read that means the bootloader wasnt installed. I tried to rewrite the bootloader with the same not connected issue. On another computer, I cant get the sketch to compile, (Breaking at the QTR sensor part), which is another irriating issue. Thats the machine I use for my RAMPS firmware, so I dont know why it doesnt work there.

I feel like I fried my nano, but dont know how to confirm.

I had my winder up and running when I got it a few weeks ago. Auto and manual mode worked correctly, but one of the red buttons didn't work out of the box. I went to radio shack to pick up a replacement button. This started happening right after I connected it, then set the limits for the servo. When I pushed that button to set the right limit, it was all still working and spooling, but when I turned it off then back on again to see if it remembered the spool settings I had just set, that's when it started acting like the nano is fried. The button matched the 3A 125v AC markings of the original button, but it seemed like it sent a shock through the system. Could have just been a coincidence.

Anybody know of a basic way to test the nano and confirm its still working? Am I missing something about the upload to nano, like a pin jumper to get to bootloader mode or something?  I get tired of reading through the arduino forums. I'm a front end web developer, and designed and built my own delta printer (built 3 total), but this C style coding and microcontroller issues make my brain bleed.

2 (edited by jason_ 2014-04-10 17:06:43)

Re: Filawinder - Fried my Nano?

Other than making sure you have the right board picked and the correct serial port picked in the ide you shouldn't have to do anything special to upload firmware to the board.  I would try unplugging the nano from the winder pcb its possible it could be a problem with your wiring preventing it from booting correctly.

If your sure that you picked the right serial port and board/processor from the ide menus and it won't upload firmware or communicate with serial bus with the pcb unplugged and eliminated as a problem, I'd say you have a fried nano.   More importantly is why did your nano fry?  These arduinos are pretty stable if they aren't subjected to circuit wiring problems... but they can not take much abuse such as shorts or voltage to the wrong pin etc.

Edit:
After rereading your post I would say since your having trouble compiling it I would say definitely double check your board and serial port choices
see here Sections 7 & 8 if your not sure what I'm talking about.  You want the nano board, bee sure to pick the 328 processor one.  and your serial port can change so you may have to try several before you figure out which one is yours

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Thanks for the reply. I thought there might have been a trick to get it into bootloader/upload mode (like printrboard), but it should just be easy as connecting to a Mega, I see. I've got the right board selected (nano 328) and also tried the others (Deci / duemi and 128) just to test, as well as all the programming settings. The nano has been out of the shield since this started. Its just the one computer it doesnt compile on, but the other it does. So I cant tell if its getting the same not in sync error on the 2nd machine, as it doesn't get past compiling. I'm going to try getting another nano locally when I get the chance in a month or so.

I did have it working as advertised (for a day or so), but one of the red buttons didnt work (right limit). I confirmed by swapping the buttons around, then the other limit stop didnt work. It stopped responding after I added the radio shack button. Static shock fried two Razer Nagas recently at my new house, maybe that had something to do with it. I'm pretty sure its just fried somehow, and the universe doesn't want me making my own filament. I've got an extrusion bot  that doesn't spool anymore and can't do ABS and filastruder that I cant get aligned or working correctly anyway.

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Ian should be by to help with the nano shortly, but what issues were you having with the Filastruder?

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It sounds like the nano is dead, though I don't think the button would have done it.  The Nano doesn't seem to be very robust at times.  I check all of them on my own winder and fail almost 10% of them.  I've found that sometimes when a button won't respond, pulling out the nano and reseating it (with power off) will fix it.  A couple of bad buttons have turned up, so that might be it.  You can tell for sure by testing it directly with a multimeter.

Connecting is usually pretty easy, though it might not work sometimes if the winder is powered up at the same time, but that doesn't apply here since the Nano has been unplugged from the board.  The issue with compiling on the other computer is caused by the QTR library, which handles tracking the filament.  It should come with v9, but if you already have the QTR library installed on that computer, there will be a conflict the one in the folder with the firmware, and the one in the Arduino Libraries folder.

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Ian,
Do you have any of the winder kits on some website where I may purchase in less than 4~5 weeks.
please forgive me if this is not the place to ask this question.
I'm a bit desperate.

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This is not the place to ask, you could PM him or post in For Sale (which you did).

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thanks

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I have exactly the same problem.
How this was resolved here?
Nothing works anymore. Can not upload more FW.

10 (edited by MikeMorell 2014-08-04 19:36:24)

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Same here. All it does is move the servo a few degrees when I turn it on. No LEDs turn on, nothing. When i plug it into my computer it gives me an overpower error, making me believe it is a short (but not from a switch, I checked).

EDIT: I took the nano off the board (duh, I probably should have done that first off.) and realized the board was not fried, but am still facing the same "symptoms."
The potentiometer as far as I can tell is perfectly fine (I had some 10k and 20k pots laying around, tried most of the with same result).
I tried reflashing the .ino v9 but I kept getting a Compiling error from the code.

EDIT2: I should probably not be posting on this thread since it is not a fried nano... sorry just realized this hmm

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I'm having a problem with mine too. I have all connections plugged in and seems to be fine. I checked the serial port and see 4 lines of data that's it. I can control the servo using buttons as in documentation on setting it up. Other than that the automatic section doesn't work. I saw that the transistors/hexfet/mosfets were touching eachother, and when I went to move them apart they were HOT AS HELL. At this point it doesn't work other than ON and the motor turns continuously with the AUTOMATIC set off.
http://soliforum.com/i/?NVF63x3.pnghttp://soliforum.com/i/?BjWwh1e.pnghttp://soliforum.com/i/?NdYcQ4p.png

Any help would be greatly appreciated... thanks.

12 (edited by agilliam 2015-12-18 22:19:16)

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Well it seems to work somewhat, except the hall sensor doesn't see the magnet. I checked to make sure I have polarity correct by using the same type of magnet in tweezers and with both sides passing by the sensor, the servo doesn't move.

I don't know what is going on but I really would like to get this working as I have something I'm working on that requires custom filament coloring.

I downloaded the eagle files and I'm very confused because the board seems to be incomplete.

The hall sensor on the .brd file only shows 1 leg wired. On the .sch file, no where does it show t he l7805 voltage regulator. Are these old?
http://soliforum.com/i/?PdT2wTb.jpg
http://soliforum.com/i/?EM9gfwS.jpg
I know possibly some of the legs use the ground plane on the pcb, but nothing is shown, I'm totally confused on this design. I can make sense that the back ground or negative plane is shared by all components as I can see even the caps are dead ends unless it shares the ground plane on the pcb which would make sense. It's been a long time since I've made pcb. So I know things and ways have changed.

I'm at a complete standstill with the filawinder. The filastruder works fine as far as I have gotten to test it.

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The voltage regulator is right at the top of your last photo, entitled "7805".

The hall sensor uses one plane of the board for power and the other plane of the board for ground. Same for the other components you described, they don't need traces because they use the top and bottom planes.

https://thingiverse-production-new.s3.a … OD_Top.pdf
https://thingiverse-production-new.s3.a … Bottom.pdf

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Re: Filawinder - Fried my Nano?

Has the knob begun to control the motor, or does it spin at top speed no matter what while in manual?  Does it do the same thing in Auto?  If the knob won't control the motor but it controls the servo, the MOSFET might have failed.   If the hall doesn't respond, it might be due to the left and right buttons being switched around.  That would cause the left limit to be set further right than the right limit, which confuses the guide.

As Tim said, the regulator is the 7805 at the top to the right of the power jack, and there are planes for GND and VCC.

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Tim, I totally missed that ic1/l7805. 

I ended up taking my multimeter and reading everything and found that 1 diode was bad. I'm assuming in my first post when I mentioned the 2 cases of the hexfet/transistors were touching and they were hot that it burned I title only had 4ohm resistance and should have been in the mega ohm. I replaced it with a in4001 diode. I also noticed that the hall effect sensor looked a little off alignment. I went to take readings and found 1 leg completely broken off. Those have very thin weak legs anyways. So I dropped some solder on all 3 legs and fired it up and presto, it's now functioning correctly.

Ian thank you and Tim both for responding. As I stated the last time I etched or designed my own pc board was for ham radio and I didn't use software lol. We used either a pen, traces you peel and stick, or we just used pre padded perfect boards. Anyways I finally figured it out and I am playing with eagle a lot more from now on.

As I stated it's up and working and seems to work very well. It's been running with nothing spooling for 10 minutes and the servo is moving as it should.

I have to say, Ian you did a great job on the filawinder. The only thing that I would consider doing. Just my opinion. Include the printed parts or come up with a nice laser cut housing for the switches. The rest is cool.

Tim, your filastruder is awesome as well. The only suggestion I could say is maybe insulate the Gear box area to dampen the sounds. Not something you want roaring in the next room, but don't want to put in shop or garage due to fire risk..

I'm planning on coming up with an arduino add on with some features that hopefully you maybeable to include or could be an optional package for this setup.

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Unfortunately insulation doesn't end up reducing the gearbox noise very much. I already use the quietest spur gear setup that this manufacturer offers, and moving to a worm gear or similar helps noise but costs more - 2-3x more. As an option, you can dial down the voltage (CV) on the stall protection board which reduces noise at the cost of extrusion speed.

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Oh I know worm gear setup is expensive. .

Ok well I got everything up and filawinder is working. The filastruder appears to be struggling but working. Where should I go to post questions about this extrusion temo, speeds, and cc and cc settings. I already did the initial and tried to tinker but can't get filament size to be 1.75 or near. It's close to 1.83. Also there are several tons at random intervals that go super thin. Less than 1.4mm in diameter for 1 to 2 inches. Tinkered with where to set the filawinder laser setup and feel I have it figured out.

Oh the other issue I can't put a bottle of pellets because it ends up over flowing out around the top outside of bottle area. Seems I have to sit here and every 3 minutes pole an Allen wrench into there to get pellets to settle.

The last issue is I hear the filastruder gear box really bog down quite a bit. So far it's extruding at 260 for abs.. where should I start? Any thread you recommend?

Thx in advance.

18 (edited by agilliam 2015-12-19 10:27:50)

Re: Filawinder - Fried my Nano?

Tim, I totally missed that ic1/l7805. 

I ended up taking my multimeter and reading everything and found that 1 diode was bad. I'm assuming in my first post when I mentioned the 2 cases of the hexfet/transistors were touching and they were hot that it burned I title only had 4ohm resistance and should have been in the mega ohm. I replaced it with a in4001 diode. I also noticed that the hall effect sensor looked a little off alignment. I went to take readings and found 1 leg completely broken off. Those have very thin weak legs anyways. So I dropped some solder on all 3 legs and fired it up and presto, it's now functioning correctly.

Ian thank you and Tim both for responding. As I stated the last time I etched or designed my own pc board was for ham radio and I didn't use software lol. We used either a pen, traces you peel and stick, or we just used pre padded perfect boards. Anyways I finally figured it out and I am playing with eagle a lot more from now on.

As I stated it's up and working and seems to work very well. It's been running with nothing spooling for 10 minutes and the servo is moving as it should.

I have to say, Ian you did a great job on the filawinder. The only thing that I would consider doing. Just my opinion. Include the printed parts or come up with a nice laser cut housing for the switches. The rest is cool.

Tim, your filastruder is awesome as well. The only suggestion I could say is maybe insulate the Gear box area to dampen the sounds. Not something you want roaring in the next room, but don't want to put in shop or garage due to fire risk..

I'm planning on coming up with an arduino add on with some features that hopefully you maybeable to include or could be an optional package for this setup.

I guess I spoke too soon. I looked down and noticed the spool is winding but it's not moving the servo again. It appears this thing is very sensative and tempermental.. I don't know what to do. This thing works with all the other functions. Such as controlling servo with knob. But the dang hall effect sensor isn't working it worked when I bench tested it but now nothing

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Temperature: depends on the material. With the included Sabic MG94 ABS pellets, 180C is an appropriate starting point. 260C is way too hot for ABS.

CC: This should always be set as in the manual.

CV: This is proportional to motor speed, as high as possible unless you're looking to limit speed for a noise related reason (or if you're extruding some exotic polymer that doesn't flow well).

I don't know what you mean by overflowing, maybe a photo would be helpful. I run a full 2-liter bottle with no spilling or poking with an Allen key, so I'm a bit confused what you mean.

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I'll have to take pics in the am. I have a video but won't let me attach it here from my phone. Anyways the pellets are like being forced back up the funnel and overflowing from around the inlet of the 2 Leiter bottle threaded part. There is an opening in that area that the pellets back up and dump out.

As far as temp, I started at 160 and it wouldn't extrude but an inch in 20 minutes. And the motor was so dead slow and bogging down like a loud roar and nothing was coming out. I did the auto tune on the pid controller and everything checked temp with another source and it reads right. But at 160 it would take 4 days to extrude 1 spool and probably burn the motor up.

I'll have to get a video and upload it so you can see. Something just isn't right.

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yes, 160C is too cool for ABS. The instructions say to start with 180C for the included ABS, why did you do 160C and 260C?

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Excuse me, I made a type-o. I meant 180. Not 160. Sorry I made a mistake in my post.

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And I already answered your question about 260 c several times. The filastruder would not extrude at any temp below 240ish. It extruded best at around 255 -260. At 180 it barely turne. As stated several times it took 20 minutes to extrude 1 inch of abs.

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You hadn't said anything about 180C yet, due to the typo.

260C is unreasonable, in stock form it can't get that hot. Where did you install the thermocouple?

Rather than just setting things 80 degrees hotter than the instructions say, why not stop and ask for help? It seems strange to write off something so important as a typo in the instructions when this has been around for a few years with over 2,000 users.

As for the hopper, that's very strange as well. Here's a shot of a hopper that has been running for 4 days straight, the pellets sit about an inch from the top of the hopper. Odd that you have to use an allen key to poke at the hopper, I've never had to do that with around 3500 hours of runtime.

http://soliforum.com/i/?9xPx5f7.jpg

Some photos of your setup would be helpful.

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You sure are a condescending prick. I'm sorry to say but you are. I'm not the only user that's had issues with your ways of talking to customers. With your attitude and the way you treat your customers, you will fail. I contacted the folks at filabot and got my problem resolved. Even though its not their product, they gave me prompt assistance and answered questions and without being a condescending asshole.

Maybe I should post your emails about the death in my family and being out of town due to that, and you saying that my 400$ business wasn't worth your time because of a technicality and time difference.

Looks like I need to do some investigating.