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Topic: High voltage draw

My heated bed wouldn't heat past 80 degrees. So thinking the PSU may be faulty, I powered my SD3 printer using a bench power supply.

When I limited the output of the bench supply to the same as the Solidoodle power supply (12.5 v) it wouldn't heat past 60 degrees.

I turned up the output of the bench supply in 1 volt steps, all the way to 15 volts and eventually the bed got to 100 degrees. However it was still heated very slowly. I have a second SD3 that works fine and heats up much quicker.

Any suggestions? I don't really want to have to pull the bed apart if I don't have to

Industrial Designer
Fresh Design Works (UK)
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2 (edited by adrian 2013-11-07 12:10:39)

Re: High voltage draw

Depends when your other SD3 came into existence.

Between circa March with the introduction of the Alu Bed to around Sep, it would seem that the heated beds shipped such that they had 80°C limits. At one stage, SolidoodleSupport confirmed that this was their limitation.

At some point following their switch to the printrboard clone, the beds changed again, and went back to supporting up to 110°C.  This change they haven't exactly owned up to or spoken about - its anecdotal based on what people are seeing with 'new new' SD3's (able to get to 110°C) and that their Printrboard Firmware changed the bed MaxTemp back to 150°C up from the 'older' 110°C

All of this is to say - yes, there is SD3 beds in circulation that only get to around 80-85, by design.

Now - regarding the difference of Benchsupply vs The SD supply - not knowing what bench supply or specs it has, its hard to say specifically,  but, lots of bench supplies are going to be capable <12Amps of the SD supply, and many supplies are also limited in their ability to output current at lower voltages (My daily user does this - its a nice PSU, just gets ripple to hell and back at high current low voltage..) meaning that the fact it only got to 60° may not be unsurprising - Ultimately its Current that dictates the heating rate, not so much the voltage (meaning, you can run 12V, 1Amp and take 2 hours to reach 80, or you can run 9V 9A and take 10 minutes to reach 80....).

All you can do is confirm with SolidoodleSupport that you have one of the 80°C limited beds... and then decide.. do you pay for an overpriced fractional step up, or just go and buy a PCB MkII or QU-BD bed and sort it once and for all for the same price ....

Regardless, rest assured, theres little point in 'pulling the bed apart'... You either have an 'in spec but underpowered' bed, or, its faulty, in which case, you need to just replace the whole silicon pad as a whole (or switch to PCB MkIIB, etc).

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Re: High voltage draw

The bed used to heat to 100 degrees, then one day it wouldn't get past 80. In the past it got stuck at 30 or 60 but the problem went away and has been fines again.

The bench PSU I used is 15v 40A.

Initially at 12.5v and 20A but was only drawing 3 or 4 amps. Then I turned the voltage up in steps.

I have taken the bed off and peeled off the backing, see attached photo. Is it supposed to look like that?

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Fresh Design Works (UK)
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4 (edited by adrian 2013-11-07 13:09:52)

Re: High voltage draw

Nope, seems pretty much like its cooked to me and not salvageable.
Given how burned it is - I'd guess its one of the 'dont go past 95' models...

So it's off for a new one - either another average one via SD, or a decent one via qu-bd or the like...

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Re: High voltage draw

Have been looking and almost nobody sells them in the UK. Looked at QU-BD and it would cost almost $100 for 2 delivered to the UK.

This is the only company I found, they appear to be a main manufacturer and other than the size, I don't know which one I need. Any ideas? http://www.omega.co.uk/pptst/SRFR_SRFG.html

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Fresh Design Works (UK)
www.freshdesignworks.co.uk

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Re: High voltage draw

http://www.emakershop.com/browse/electronics this site has UK suppliers for the mk2a and b beds. I am on my phone so I didn't browse too much.

SD3 w/ mods:
Glass bed with QU-BD heat pad upgrade, threadless ballscrew w/ 8mm smooth rod, spectra line belt replacement, lawsy MK5 extruder, Lawsy replacement carriage, E3D hotend, Ramps 1.4 w/ reprap discount controller, DRV8825 drivers, 12v 30A PS, Acrylic case, Overkill Y-idlers, Filament alarm, Extruder fan + more.

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Re: High voltage draw

Thanks for that link. Very useful. I just bought this http://www.emakershop.com/browse/listing?l=126

Can I wire it as is into my SD3 or do I need some additional electronics?

Also, the instruction here http://josefprusa.cz/pcb-heatbed-final- … g-solutio/ mention attaching it to a glass bed. Can I attach the heatbed to the underside of the alu bed like the existing one? I'm using 5mm thick mirror glass on top of the alu bed already and like being able to take the glass out and slide in another clean one for the next print.

Industrial Designer
Fresh Design Works (UK)
www.freshdesignworks.co.uk

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Re: High voltage draw

Just put ontop of bed.. You can print straight onto the pcb with Kapton Tape on the side that doesn't have the tracks.

Yes, you also need to upgrade your PSU... But its as per the numerous bed upgrade threads... Or on the wiki in the bed mods area. Same requirements as all the other bed mods and threads so just refer to them.

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