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Topic: A definitive way to stop the ooze!

Maybe somebody has done this already, if so here is my take on a brush mod to take care of pre-print oozing issues.

I tried using the edge of the bed to clip the ooze off, and it worked 50% of the time.  This so far has worked every time. For the cost of your son's old tuth brush, a flat piece of something, two zip ties,  and 20 minutes of time, you too can be the lucky owner of this mod;)

Demo Video for any who wish to be bored to tears: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6yJf7T1VDw

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Re: A definitive way to stop the ooze!

This reminds me of my High School's Stratasys uPrint.  Every so often it would run the extruder heads across a sort of wire brush.  I'm definitely gonna do this..

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I was thinking about using a wire brush, but I decided I didn't want to run my nozzle over a wire brush with each print. Figured it would decrease my hot end life span.  But I think I will have to replace the plastic brush out every so often. While the hot end only comes into contact with it for about a second, I noticed some very slight singing.  While I am sure it will get hundred's of prints of use out of one toothbrush head... eventually I think it will wear out.  Hopefully it will match our tooth brush cycling.

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Cool! I'm quite pissed off about removing the initial ooze before each print run...
Are you using the same gcode routine you posted in another topic, or wrote a new one?
Did you use the glue to attach the metal piece to the alu bed?

Thanks!
Nick

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Re: A definitive way to stop the ooze!

Yeah I used super glue to attach the metal piece.   Ditched that code which I need to update the other post.  It was working, but then every once I and while it would fail, which needless to say made it unreliable.

I'll post the code I used for this one in a little bit.

Yeah the oozing thing has driven me nuts since day one.

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That's great, I'll wait for the improved code then smile
In the meantime i'll have a look on which superglue is best, given that the bed surface heats a lot. Standard cyanoacrylate gave me lots of problems with neodymium magnets on plexiglas...

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its a great idea i just wish it didnt look so ghetto!

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Hmm, I don't really have oozing problems in the beginning. My code homes the z-axis, which presses my nozzle close to the bed. Then it heats up, and maybe oozes a little, but this just causes a bead on the bed, before it moves to start the print and leaves behind the bead.


This is similar to what another member does-  he/she puts down 7mm in the start as an "anchor" and then leaves that location, leaving behind the blob.

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Re: A definitive way to stop the ooze!

So here is the start Gcode I put with it.  Just change the coordinates to match the target brush area.

I used cheap super glue from the local hardware store.  None of that fancy gel stuff.  Back in my industrial design program I'd go through so much of it to build models etc... The glue of the gods I tell you.  Not to mention great to have on the tool bunch when you slice yourself open on accident.  That's how my Dr friend takes care of all his kids cuts that aren't deep enough for stitches.

Anyhow the Aluminum on aluminum bonds great enough for this application.  Acrylic can be a pain to super glue to.  I'll let you know if it falls off. I've ran 4-5 prints so far no problem.

G21; set mm units
G28 ;home all axis
G90; set absolute coordinates
G92 E0; reset extruder distance
M104 S200; set extruder temp and start heating
M109 S200; wait for extruder temp to be reached
G1 Z5 F300 ;move platform down 5mm
G1 X205 Y160 F3000 ; move to brush
G1 X195 Y160 F3000 ; move out of brush
G1 X195 Y195 F3000 ; move to back right corner
G1 Z[first_layer_height] F200 ;move platform close to nozzle
;G1 E7; extrude anchor
G1 F3000; center print head
G92 E0; reset extrusion distance

@Molecular Concept: Whaaat zip ties, and old used 6 year old sons' tooth brushes looks ghetto? j/k.  You could always use a new tooth brush, and instead of zip ties, screws through the back to hold it onto the platform, then you could have just the brush part with no stem.  But that is also a bigger pain to change out.  Zip ties are just so cheap, and old tooth brushes were convenient.

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Re: A definitive way to stop the ooze!

@Tomek.  I've had no luck getting my anchors to stick to the bed consistently.  I've got the Glass and hairspray thing going on.  Besides those issues I really like how convenient it is to pull off filament without touching the hot end, or having to grab a tool.

Also I'm gearing up to use it as a production tool, creating an auto eject system, etc... I just want it to work 100% of the time with no thought.  Plus it keeps cavities from forming on my hotend;)

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Re: A definitive way to stop the ooze!

Mod done! I used top part of an opened can, and a brand new Tesco everyday value toothbrush for a whopping 49 cents for two toothbrushes big_smile

http://www.nicosoft.it/pictures/toothbrush.jpg

Should appear less ghetto style and also replacement is quite easily done.

I tried to glue it in the same position Pastprimitve did but had to modify the code a little bit

G21; set mm units
G28 ;home all axis
G90; set absolute coordinates
G92 E0; reset extruder distance
M104 S195; set extruder temp and start heating
M109 S195; wait for extruder temp to be reached
G1 Z3 F300 ;move platform down 3mm
G1 X208 Y190 F3000 ; move to brush
G1 X208 Y150 F3000 ; move out of brush
G1 X195 Y195 F3000 ; move to back right corner
G1 Z[first_layer_height] F200 ;move platform close to nozzle
;G1 E7; extrude anchor
G1 F3000; center print head
G92 E0; reset extrusion distance

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pastprimitive wrote:

@Tomek.  I've had no luck getting my anchors to stick to the bed consistently.  I've got the Glass and hairspray thing going on.  Besides those issues I really like how convenient it is to pull off filament without touching the hot end, or having to grab a tool.

Also I'm gearing up to use it as a production tool, creating an auto eject system, etc... I just want it to work 100% of the time with no thought.  Plus it keeps cavities from forming on my hotend;)


Hey, I agree, there are benefits to this nozzle. At least you recover the part of your print platform where you normally stick an anchor.

I just don't like too much the idea of using a brush with meltable tips, in case of accidental parking the nozzle there - how about a soft brass brush?  I guess it ups it to a $3 mod instead of a 50 cent mod. 

If you ever have problems with hairspray and glass method, make sure to try the acetone glue treatment.  It is too strong of a grip for me usually, and I only use it now when I have a tiny base for a big object.

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@AgentSmith: Love the mod, good job.

@Tomek: I'm just worried about the brass causing more wear than I want on my nozzle flat surface at the tip.  Maybe that is a non-issue.  If you do it that way, let me know how it works out.  I'm probably being over cautious.  Although I only had one parking accident, and it was my bad, under manual control when I was installing it, and not thinking, and the brush was still fine.  It singes a tiny bit, but is really effective.  The plus compared to the wire method I have seen that is similair is that the brush seems to do a better job of dealing with the messier oozing issues where it doubles back on itself, and you have a bunch of loops hanging off the nozzle.