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So ive been printing beautiful pieces of garbage for the past few days and wonder how much garbage you guys have. Is there a way to recycle the pieces? I used to put them in acetone for glue but the jar is pretty much full now.

What do u guys do with failed prints?

Seems like 'd be killing the environment by trashing all this ABS.

I was thinking maybe put the parts in acetone until it dissolves completely then running the mix through a coffee filter to take out the chunks and letting the acetone evaporate. Then hope it would be pure ABS Left over to be ground into pieces and made to filament again? Not sure how molecularly stable it would be compared to new ABS is, Just an idea.

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There was a thread in the google groups on using acetone and water to make ABS powder.  I think it involved dissolving the ABS in acetone, and then pouring the mixture into water.  The acetone was supposed to precipitate into powder, but I couldn't get it to work, it just turned into plastic gloop.  Maybe if the water was hot enough the boil out the acetone?   It's a standard industrial process, if the method could be worked out at home it might be an alternative to grinding.  It would be a long wait for the stuff to dissolve, but a lot cheaper.

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if you're talking about things that are not absolutely solid then I imaging that the food blender (liquidizer/smoothy maker type) would be good for grinding the old parts, then a filastruder type device could turn it into usable filament...

not sure now many times you could recycle parts though.

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I plan on using only PLA.... For the environment...hope it works out.

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danny wrote:

if you're talking about things that are not absolutely solid then I imaging that the food blender (liquidizer/smoothy maker type) would be good for grinding the old parts, then a filastruder type device could turn it into usable filament...

not sure now many times you could recycle parts though.


don't put plastic in your blender.  You wont be happy.

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DePartedPrinter wrote:
danny wrote:

if you're talking about things that are not absolutely solid then I imaging that the food blender (liquidizer/smoothy maker type) would be good for grinding the old parts, then a filastruder type device could turn it into usable filament...

not sure now many times you could recycle parts though.


don't put plastic in your blender.  You wont be happy.

Unless you're this guy!

And even they say "Don't try this at home."

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This grinds and makes filament out of junk plastic.
http://filabot.com/reclaimer.php

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pcpoirier wrote:

This grinds and makes filament out of junk plastic.
http://filabot.com/reclaimer.php

...too bad its not real...

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pcpoirier wrote:

This grinds and makes filament out of junk plastic.
http://filabot.com/reclaimer.php

Not a single one has shipped to beta testers or kickstarter backers.

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elmoret wrote:
pcpoirier wrote:

This grinds and makes filament out of junk plastic.
http://filabot.com/reclaimer.php

Not a single one has shipped to beta testers or kickstarter backers.


My theory is still that Tyler got in over his head and blew through the 32k before he even had a finished prototype.  He is straight up asking for donations on his website now.  The filabot is not going to deliver...wish the media would research before publishing articles on him.

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Somewhere around the 1st of the year was instructions and a parts list to make your own filabot

http://blog.ponoko.com/2012/06/25/open- … ent-maker/

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Where?  He took down the Thingiverse and closed the Dropbox link to the Filabot Wee. I haven't seen another link to plans.

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instructions and a parts list to make your own filabot

http://blog.ponoko.com/2012/06/25/open- … ent-maker/

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pcpoirier wrote:

instructions and a parts list to make your own filabot

http://blog.ponoko.com/2012/06/25/open- … ent-maker/

Nope, the links in that article are dead.

Furthermore, the Filabot Wee never had a grinder attachment, so it couldn't do what the OP's asking for anyway.

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I have just been collecting all my failures in a bucket.

Does anyone know if ABS changes chemically when melted?

I edit my posts a lot.

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frozensoda wrote:

I have just been collecting all my failures in a bucket.

Does anyone know if ABS changes chemically when melted?

Yup, sure does. Each heat cycle breaks down the polymer chains.

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We should all chip in on one of these bad boys:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Temptek-Plastic … 4ac38f017a

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Here is one for $850, and you don't have to drive to PA. http://www.ebay.com/itm/9-x-10-Conair-G … 51ab31456c

It would be cool if you could set up a recycling service, but shipping each way would keep it from being any cheaper than pellets.

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I was hoping for a solution that everyone can do ourselves without machines that cost more than our printers. Thats kinda like buying an entire gas station just to put gas in the car.

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MeshMoth wrote:

I was hoping for a solution that everyone can do ourselves without machines that cost more than our printers. Thats kinda like buying an entire gas station just to put gas in the car.

Ain't gonna happen!

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elmoret wrote:
MeshMoth wrote:

I was hoping for a solution that everyone can do ourselves without machines that cost more than our printers. Thats kinda like buying an entire gas station just to put gas in the car.

Ain't gonna happen!

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MeshMoth wrote:
elmoret wrote:
MeshMoth wrote:

I was hoping for a solution that everyone can do ourselves without machines that cost more than our printers. Thats kinda like buying an entire gas station just to put gas in the car.

Ain't gonna happen!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PDDVMSeE_q0/UF15AWOWaXI/AAAAAAAACuc/28yC20zdG5g/s1600/jill-greenberg-crying-photoshopped-babies-end-times-18.jpg

It is sad that the filabot is not working out. Making filament from pellets is a tough number. We understood that this was a complex problem from the beginning.

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It is sad that the filabot is not working out. Making filament from pellets is a tough number. We understood that this was a complex problem from the beginning.


Its not sad, it a reality check for KS about what happens when you let projects get funded based on ideas that are drawn by hand on a piece of paper.

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I think Tyler's problem was going to KS too early.  He priced based on the BOM + markup, but didn't realize that the R&D he still had to do also cost money.  He also painted himself into a corner by offering a grinder to the higher tiers, which is a whole other complicated thing.

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IanJohnson wrote:

I think Tyler's problem was going to KS too early.  He priced based on the BOM + markup, but didn't realize that the R&D he still had to do also cost money.  He also painted himself into a corner by offering a grinder to the higher tiers, which is a whole other complicated thing.


I would bet he could easily blow 5-10k on the R&D for the grinder alone.


Maybe he should just include a commercial blender with every order...

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