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Re: How sticky is hairspray for printing?

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Take a look at my enclosure.  You may have to adjust the top holders if your sides are cut to a different length.  Also I feed the filament through the back.  With my bracket I find that my spool doesn't get as tangled.
http://www.soliforum.com/topic/1588/my- … enclosure/

I really liked your enclosure idea big_smile

Right now my Filament sits above the printer and feeds from the top (http://www.soliforum.com/topic/1623/how … -filament/) so I'll need to maybe cut a square hole in the top?

As long as the spools aren't directly above the printer it would probably still work.  From the picture I can't see exactly where your printer is setting.

I'll have to get a new photo for future reference, but yeah it does sit almost directly above hmm

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Just invert the z stop screw that way you don't need to make or change any parts..other then the screw. Once you put the glass on the bed you just raised the bed up the amount of the glass thickness.. of course the printer does not know you did this so changing the z stop screw essentially tells the printer you did.

What do you mean "invert" the z stop screw? Turn it I can do, but invert in my mind means flip it upside down and rightside up repeatedly like a test tube of blood.

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Re: How sticky is hairspray for printing?

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Just invert the z stop screw that way you don't need to make or change any parts..other then the screw. Once you put the glass on the bed you just raised the bed up the amount of the glass thickness.. of course the printer does not know you did this so changing the z stop screw essentially tells the printer you did.

What do you mean "invert" the z stop screw? Turn it I can do, but invert in my mind means flip it upside down and rightside up repeatedly like a test tube of blood.

I have no idea what Ronsii is talking about because on my original z stop flipping it upside down would yield you the exact same thing.  Maybe they were different on the older ones.  If you go the glass/hairspray route (which you should and has been great for me) take a look at Lawsy's z stop or my adjustable version remix of it on Thingiverse.

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Re: How sticky is hairspray for printing?

Just put the screw in from the bottom, leave the holder alone,  the head of the screw is facing down gives you more length.

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Re: How sticky is hairspray for printing?

So for reference, how much hairspray is "enough"?

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Re: How sticky is hairspray for printing?

It's not that finicky.  On a clean sheet of glass I put a dusting, but I reapply it every other print up to maybe 3-4 times.  So anywhere from just a little to a bunch should work fine.  Maybe it's more critical with .1mm printing but start out with just a light spray and see what your results are.

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Re: How sticky is hairspray for printing?

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It's not that finicky.  On a clean sheet of glass I put a dusting, but I reapply it every other print up to maybe 3-4 times.  So anywhere from just a little to a bunch should work fine.  Maybe it's more critical with .1mm printing but start out with just a light spray and see what your results are.


I did have an issue with printing a long rectangular piece 4"Lx2"W , bed at 100C with Hairspray and glass, it just refuses to stick... perhaps I need to level the bed? What would y'all suggest to best judge distance, I've asked before, but printer paper seems a bit thin.

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Re: How sticky is hairspray for printing?

I use a piece of paper from a lined memo pad that I have by my printer.  I adjust to light tension on the paper over the 3 adjustment screws.  Then I set my first layer flow rate to .9 and that seems to be about perfect for me.  Again this is for .3mm printing.  I never have any lift issues anymore.

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Re: How sticky is hairspray for printing?

I picked up some feeler guages at amazon, that way I know what distance I am at if I need to the adjust Z screw up or down
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BY … &psc=1

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Re: How sticky is hairspray for printing?

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I picked up some feeler guages at amazon, that way I know what distance I am at if I need to the adjust Z screw up or down
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BY … &psc=1

Well, I'm planing on stopping by Harbor Freight, to grab an IR Thermometer, Calipers and a set of feeler gauges.

Suggestions on Print head distance? I know printer paper is about .10 mm.

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Re: How sticky is hairspray for printing?

So I did hairspray and glass, and enclosed my build area, but for the life of me, I can't get this watch stand to print wiothout warping

http://i.imgur.com/XPiE82h.jpg

Maybe it's the wrong hairspray?
Bed temp 100c

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Re: How sticky is hairspray for printing?

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Just put the screw in from the bottom, leave the holder alone,  the head of the screw is facing down gives you more length.

So than the only thing I will need is to adjust the screw to create enough space between the extruder and the piece of glass I clip down on the platform? And somehow taking the screw out and reinserting it from underneath (which I assume would also change the clockwise/counter clockwise adjustments) it has more length? I think the printer should have come with a screw long enough to pop right out of the top of the machine both so it has all the length anyone could need as well as being more accessable.

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Re: How sticky is hairspray for printing?

Rocketman wrote:
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Just put the screw in from the bottom, leave the holder alone,  the head of the screw is facing down gives you more length.

So than the only thing I will need is to adjust the screw to create enough space between the extruder and the piece of glass I clip down on the platform? And somehow taking the screw out and reinserting it from underneath (which I assume would also change the clockwise/counter clockwise adjustments) it has more length? I think the printer should have come with a screw long enough to pop right out of the top of the machine both so it has all the length anyone could need as well as being more accessable.

BOLD = correct

You want the distance between the glass and the extruder tip to match the distance between the bed with kapton and the extruder tip.


The printer isn't designed to be used with glass and hairspray that's why you have to change things around.

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Re: How sticky is hairspray for printing?

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Just put the screw in from the bottom, leave the holder alone,  the head of the screw is facing down gives you more length.

So than the only thing I will need is to adjust the screw to create enough space between the extruder and the piece of glass I clip down on the platform? And somehow taking the screw out and reinserting it from underneath (which I assume would also change the clockwise/counter clockwise adjustments) it has more length? I think the printer should have come with a screw long enough to pop right out of the top of the machine both so it has all the length anyone could need as well as being more accessable.

BOLD = correct

You want the distance between the glass and the extruder tip to match the distance between the bed with kapton and the extruder tip.


The printer isn't designed to be used with glass and hairspray that's why you have to change things around.

So than nothing really needs to be "inverted?" i just need to create seperation? Is there a way to tell the extruder to lightly go down onto the edge of the platform so I can visually see the platform go down as I turn the screw and eventually slide the glass in there?

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So I did hairspray and glass, and enclosed my build area, but for the life of me, I can't get this watch stand to print wiothout warping

http://i.imgur.com/XPiE82h.jpg

Maybe it's the wrong hairspray?
Bed temp 100c

I have yet to build an enclosure and i hope I don't still have the same curling issue afterwards, but out of curiousity how much time do you allow for the insides to heat up before you start the print?

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Re: How sticky is hairspray for printing?

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So I did hairspray and glass, and enclosed my build area, but for the life of me, I can't get this watch stand to print wiothout warping

http://i.imgur.com/XPiE82h.jpg

Maybe it's the wrong hairspray?
Bed temp 100c

I have yet to build an enclosure and i hope I don't still have the same curling issue afterwards, but out of curiousity how much time do you allow for the insides to heat up before you start the print?


Sometimes, Until it say's 100c for bed temp, but I'm assuming I need to let the enclosure warm up too?

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Re: How sticky is hairspray for printing?

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So I did hairspray and glass, and enclosed my build area, but for the life of me, I can't get this watch stand to print wiothout warping

http://i.imgur.com/XPiE82h.jpg

Maybe it's the wrong hairspray?
Bed temp 100c

Have you tried printing with a brim?

Add one with 3-5mm and it should improve things.
Also ensure the first layer is well and truly squashed onto the bed- adjust the z offset for that

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Have you tried printing with a brim?

Add one with 3-5mm and it should improve things.
Also ensure the first layer is well and truly squashed onto the bed- adjust the z offset for that


Not that one yet, I will tomorrow night, but I've had 7 successful prints today. And I should have my settings right to work in the future *Knocks on wood*