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Tin Falcon wrote:

https://github.com/makerbot/MightyBoardFirmware
It is my understanding the Older makerbots and the clones Ie Flashforge , and CTC  all use the mightyboard and replicator g they also can be flashed with saltfish if you want to repetier host.


Tin it's actually Sailfish.. But you can keep using Saltfish if you want...:)

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Yes, our CTC has the 'Mightyboard' and came with Both 'Replicator-G' and 'Makerbot-2.4' software, on a SD.
I Don't think I want to install any other Firmware in printer
until it becomes extremely Necessary . tongue

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Looks like I you caught the mistake before I corrected it. Yes Sailfish.
Tin

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EagleSeven wrote:

Yes, our CTC has the 'Mightyboard' and came with Both 'Replicator-G' and 'Makerbot-2.4' software, on a SD.
I Don't think I want to install any other Firmware in printer
until it becomes extremely Necessary . tongue

I don't know, I think I would be very tempted to flash to Sailfish (Saltfish wink  ) and enjoy the benefits of true open source.

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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wardjr wrote:
EagleSeven wrote:

Yes, our CTC has the 'Mightyboard' and came with Both 'Replicator-G' and 'Makerbot-2.4' software, on a SD.
I Don't think I want to install any other Firmware in printer
until it becomes extremely Necessary . tongue

I don't know, I think I would be very tempted to flash to Sailfish (Saltfish wink  ) and enjoy the benefits of true open source.

I will certainly consider that, if what I've got now Don't keep me Happy , Thanks for info.

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31 (edited by EagleSeven 2015-07-13 20:14:37)

Re: Why add a Fan at Extruder-nozzles ?

I got the Fan-duct printed and I have fan to go in it,
and now to Mount and connect it to power.

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Let the fun begin wink
Nice work

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EagleSeven wrote:

I got the Fan-duct printed and I have fan to go in it,
and now to Mount and connect it to power.


Just remember this printer operates on 24 volts. So you will need a 24 volt fan.

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carl_m1968 wrote:
EagleSeven wrote:

I got the Fan-duct printed and I have fan to go in it,
and now to Mount and connect it to power.


Just remember this printer operates on 24 volts. So you will need a 24 volt fan.

I don't plan to connect fan to printer's 24.V power-supply.
Going to use an external adjustable supply, that I already have.
And just manually control the fan speed.
So, I can use the 12.v fan, that I have, with no problem.

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I have never had to control the speed or time when the fan runs. My just comes on at power up and runs through the full print from first layer to last layer. I have never had an issue printing PLA and using a fan in this way. I don't find all the control of it necessary. But then again I also level my bed so that PLA sticks very aggressively to a hot clean glass plate.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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I can see a minor problem with the Fan-duct,
it's going to make cleaning and replacing the Nozzles more difficult.
The mounting-clip design of the Duct should make it fairly easy to move out of the way, when needed, tho.

I plan to experiment with different nozzle sizes, so adding the Fan-duct will make that more difficult to do. sad

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carl_m1968 wrote:

I have never had to control the speed or time when the fan runs. My just comes on at power up and runs through the full print from first layer to last layer. I have never had an issue printing PLA and using a fan in this way. I don't find all the control of it necessary. But then again I also level my bed so that PLA sticks very aggressively to a hot clean glass plate.

Yes, may Not need it to be adjustable, but thought I would experiment with that Also,
to see how much cooling is really required for different filament types.

I've been doing most objects in ABS but I plan to do more in PLA, HIPS, Nylon, etc.

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EagleSeven wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

I have never had to control the speed or time when the fan runs. My just comes on at power up and runs through the full print from first layer to last layer. I have never had an issue printing PLA and using a fan in this way. I don't find all the control of it necessary. But then again I also level my bed so that PLA sticks very aggressively to a hot clean glass plate.

Yes, may Not need it to be adjustable, but thought I would experiment with that Also,
to see how much cooling is really required for different filament types.

I've been doing most objects in ABS but I plan to do more in PLA, HIPS, Nylon, etc.


If you are going to use ABS with the CTC then you will need to build or purchase an enclosure kit for it. ABS absolutely needs to be printed in an enclosure. You will get layer separation if you print without one. The enclosure keeps the temperature regulated and protects from breezes from the AC and other sources that will cause one or more of the model sides to cool more or faster than others.

Yes they say all these printers can print PLA or ABS and so on. But they also assume you know the requirements and take the necessary measures to do so.

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Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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EagleSeven wrote:

I can see a minor problem with the Fan-duct,
it's going to make cleaning and replacing the Nozzles more difficult.
The mounting-clip design of the Duct should make it fairly easy to move out of the way, when needed, tho.

I plan to experiment with different nozzle sizes, so adding the Fan-duct will make that more difficult to do. sad


You may want to look at your printer closer if we are talking about the CTC. In order to change nozzles you will have to remove both motor fans so you can get to the set screw that holds the feed tube in the mounting block. The nozzle threads into the heat block and butts up against the feed tube to create a seal. If you don't remove the complete nozzle assembly with heat block and feed tube then you will not get the proper seal when switching the nozzle and plastic will leak from the upper side of the heat block

In order to get a proper seal you have to remove the heat block from the feedtube, then swap out the nozzles, then butt the feed tube against the nozzle inside the heatblock and lock it in place with the set screw on the back of the heat block. Then you have to reinstall the the assembly in the mounting block and adjust the nozzle height and lock in place with the set screw in the mounting block.

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Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

40 (edited by EagleSeven 2015-07-14 00:41:11)

Re: Why add a Fan at Extruder-nozzles ?

??? I think I understand what you are saying
but I have removed the nozzles before , to check if needed cleaning,
without disassembly of any of that.
I just unscrewed the nozzle from the heat block.

I did not need to loosen any of the other screws or set-screws that hold other parts together.
(I made sure that heat-block did not turn when turning the nozzle,
and made sure not to over tighten the nozzles when reinstalling)

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41 (edited by carl_m1968 2015-07-14 00:47:15)

Re: Why add a Fan at Extruder-nozzles ?

Well if by some chance the threaded section of a new nozzle is shorter and does not butt up against the feed tube you have the potential for a leak that could not show up till well into a multi hour print when it starts to drop hot globs of plastic on your model. I am just saying just like with the E3D the feed tube threads into the heat block and then gets locked by a set screw. Not sure if the E3D has a set screw. But the nozzle must butt up to the feed tube inside the heat block or it will leak. Normally you would install the nozzle till it seats fully in the heat block. Then screw in the feed tube till it butts up against the nozzle and then secure the setscrew. Then adjust the rotation and position in the mounting block and set it with that set screw as well. That would be the proper way although there are improper ways that you have just been lucky with.

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Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

42 (edited by EagleSeven 2015-07-14 00:46:49)

Re: Why add a Fan at Extruder-nozzles ?

Yes, I'm hoping the other nozzles will be the same length
so there will be No need to readjust nozzle Height or the feed-tube height.

The nozzle Set is coming from China, so it will probably be another 2 weeks before I get them, to find out.

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43 (edited by EagleSeven 2015-07-14 01:10:29)

Re: Why add a Fan at Extruder-nozzles ?

carl_m1968 wrote:

If you are going to use ABS with the CTC then you will need to build or purchase an enclosure kit for it. ABS absolutely needs to be printed in an enclosure. You will get layer separation if you print without one. The enclosure keeps the temperature regulated and protects from breezes from the AC and other sources that will cause one or more of the model sides to cool more or faster than others.

* I just now noticed this post

I think those people that have layer separation with ABS are not setting the nozzle Temp high enough.
I use 245. C and have had No problems with separation.
I have a fan that cools the X & Y stepper-motors and it also circulates some air thru the printer
and that fan needs a open printer with No enclosure.
Stepper-motors get way too Hot without that fan.

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EagleSeven wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

If you are going to use ABS with the CTC then you will need to build or purchase an enclosure kit for it. ABS absolutely needs to be printed in an enclosure. You will get layer separation if you print without one. The enclosure keeps the temperature regulated and protects from breezes from the AC and other sources that will cause one or more of the model sides to cool more or faster than others.

* I just now noticed this post

I think those people that have layer separation with ABS are not setting the nozzle Temp high enough.
I use 245. C and have had No problems with separation.
I have a fan that cools the X & Y stepper-motors and it also circulates some air thru the printer
and that fan needs a open printer with No enclosure.

If thats the case then hundreds of thousands of people are using the wrong temp and been since the days the first printer rolled out. This has always been an issue since day one and even today with ABS. Any of the other regulars will confirm this. There are even kits you can buy on ebay for the flash forge and CTC to put acrylic covers on the sides, an acrylic door on the front and a tent shaped acrylic top. Again maybe you are lucky or just got some hybrid filament that has PLA fillers. Alot of companies are beginning to mix waste plastics to make filament so you may not get pure ABS or pure PLA anymore.

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Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

45 (edited by EagleSeven 2015-07-14 13:11:22)

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Sorry, but I see No need for an Enclosure.
They hold in the heat Too Much, those motors need to be cooled or they will Fail !
Walls and top will just 'Get in the Way' LOL tongue

I've used filament from many spools of ABS , purchased off eBay,
so I doubt there is anything different about them, but it is possible .

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46 (edited by EagleSeven 2015-07-14 16:15:45)

Re: Why add a Fan at Extruder-nozzles ?

I've decided Not to install the nozzle Fan now.
I don't think it is needed when doing ABS filament
and ABS is what we are using the most now.

And It will definitely be a problem with my different nozzle Sizes experiment.

If and when we start using a filament like PLA more,  then I may install it ,
so I'm glad I printed the Duct, if we ever need it, it will be ready to install.

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EagleSeven wrote:

Sorry, but I see No need for an Enclosure.
They hold in the heat Too Much, those motors need to be cooled or they will Fail !
Walls and top will just 'Get in the Way' LOL tongue

I've used filament from many spools of ABS , purchased off eBay,
so I doubt there is anything different about them, but it is possible .

An enclosure reduces the temperature gradient in your prints, making them less likely to warp. If you end up with warping issues on larger prints or prints that have particularly tall sections that act as heatsinks, an enclosure will help. The motors can handle the heat if VREF is properly tuned, but the board should be away from the heat as much as possible. Heat is the enemy of most electronics.

EagleSeven wrote:

I've decided Not to install the nozzle Fan now.
I don't think it is needed when doing ABS filament
and ABS is what we are using the most now.

And It will definitely be a problem with my different nozzle Sizes experiment.

If and when we start using a filament like PLA more,  then I may install it ,
so I'm glad I printed the Duct, if we ever need it, it will be ready to install.

A fan is useful for ABS for two things: short layers and overhangs/bridges. Layers that print too quickly will not cool fast enough and subsequent layers will print on molten plastic. Overhangs are helped by a fan because it keeps them from curling down, in my experience.

Start slow, but never assume you will never not need something.

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I guess Some people Need them on their printers but We certainly Do Not !
Both would cause more trouble than they are worth sad

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49 (edited by carl_m1968 2015-07-14 18:43:19)

Re: Why add a Fan at Extruder-nozzles ?

EagleSeven wrote:

I guess Some people Need them on their printers but We certainly Do Not !
Both would cause more trouble than they are worth sad

Your new to printing, but you will learn soon. You really should listen to and not discount the advice of veterans. Some of us like myself have been in this filed since it emerged. Nothing about the technology or media has changed since.

If you have not seen a use for an enclosure or fan yet then I doubt you have made a large print or a print that has taken more than 6 hours.

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Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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We just Know how to make good prints without the added Stuff, getting in the Way. LOL tongue

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