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Topic: About to commit Da Vincicide....

Ok so ever since I swapped out the main board to a RAMPS I have been fighting to get this thing dialed in. First it was bad filament now I dont know what it is. I am close but still far off. Here are two pics one from overhead and one from the side. I cant tell if the issue is speed, temp, fill, or a combination. It seems higher temps work better but the smaller areas apoear too hot. I am at 55mm/s now so mote speed is out. Maybe slow it down more? Calibration is spot on so feedrate is correct and verified.

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You seem to consider 55mm as being 'slow'?

I'd say that with such a small piece and an overhang so close to the bed, you should be printing at 20mm/s, with as low temp as you can (210-215 possibly), and the bed not higher than 90, maybe even lower it to 70-80 after the first few layers if you have really good adherence. And perhaps have a small layer cooling fan blowing into it softly.

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I don't like the cooling fans because I get layer splits and warping. I agree though, that part looks really small and you should be printing very slow. I printed out a flag for a new carriage I am designing and I had to print is extremely slow. If I printed it too fast the object would look like a blob.

4 (edited by carl_m1968 2015-05-13 23:17:19)

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I will go back to basics and try slow and cool. Gonna run at 25mm base with 20mm perimeters and a temp of 235. Should always go back to your basics when having issues. Remember this boys and girls.

Update:

So I reduced my speeds to 25 and lower depending on function as well as movrd the temp down to 230. The print look much better but I may need to reduce my Flowrate multiplier as the finished surface look like it is slightly over filled.

Sides look good and the over hang looks good on both sides. I might go back and try the bright green from Shaxon again. Maybe I was trying to print it to fast.

Maybe I was printing in yhe 20 to 30mm/s range all the time before the board swap. Not sure why I thought I could do 50+mm/s

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well im in the same boat.  the pla jammed the extruder and in the process of cleaning it i think the hot end contacted the levelling corner and blew up the control board.  picking up the stuff for ramps now and about to start cutting

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I have yet to do a write up as I was waiting to confirm satisfactory performance. I am now getting prints I am comfortable with. I have a few mote tweaks to make as I think I may be slightly over extruding. Once I get that dialed in I will do the write up.

If you have any questions about the swap just ask. I will tell you know the stock opto sensors will not work with a ramps as they lack the current limiting tesistors for the LED. You will need to pick up three opto sensors as well. To make it easier try to find dome that have the connectors at a 45 to the board.  The horizontal type of connector wont work. You could go with mechanical switches as well but you would have to come up with a method to mount them. The opto sensors I had fit the stock locations with very minimal trimming of the sensor end and the install location.  It still looks very near stock.http://soliforum.com/i/?6AERd9n.jpg

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thanks for the info

do you know the color code to the stepper motors wiring pairs?  Would save a little bit of time with the volt meter

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robertf wrote:

thanks for the info

do you know the color code to the stepper motors wiring pairs?  Would save a little bit of time with the volt meter

I dont have it with me now but when I get home tonight at 12:30 central time I will pm you the color code for the steppers as well as the pin out for the optos since XYZ decided to be slick and use the same color for all three wires on the optos.

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I've put a couple of machines together where all of the limit switches were in series.  Since only 1 is moving at a time the control SHOULD be able to figure it out.  In this case it was a mach3. 

How involved is the source code?  Am I going to have to read everything in there, or can I open the project and compile/upload and go from there?

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robertf wrote:

I've put a couple of machines together where all of the limit switches were in series.  Since only 1 is moving at a time the control SHOULD be able to figure it out.  In this case it was a mach3. 

How involved is the source code?  Am I going to have to read everything in there, or can I open the project and compile/upload and go from there?

The firmware I used was Marlin I have posted a zip in my other thread on the swap. It has all the settings preset. All you need to do is open it in Adruino and upload it.

The opto sensors all have their own connection and setting on the board and in firmware. Like I said though the copy of Marlin I have supplied will have your machine axis and feed rates running correctly assuming your wiring is correct.

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11 (edited by lachupacabra 2015-05-15 11:31:23)

Re: About to commit Da Vincicide....

Here is the wiring code:

red/yellow = green/black <=== http://www.soliforum.com/topic/10086/st … g-diagram/
blue/orange =  blue/red

wiring diagram: http://www.linengineering.com/LinE/_images/Wiring.jpg

And regarding the davincis stop ends:

Anode is Vcc, Gate is Signal, and Cathode is Ground <=== http://www.soliforum.com/topic/10813/da … new-brain/

hope it helps

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lachupacabra wrote:

Here is the wiring code:

red/yellow = green/black <=== http://www.soliforum.com/topic/10086/st … g-diagram/
blue/orange =  blue/red

wiring diagram: http://www.linengineering.com/LinE/_images/Wiring.jpg

And regarding the davincis stop ends:

Anode is Vcc, Gate is Signal, and Cathode is Ground <=== http://www.soliforum.com/topic/10813/da … new-brain/

hope it helps


I used the stock motors and harnesses.  I only changed the connectors on the controller side as the stock connectors will not work on a RAMPS. Here is an image of my connections.

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any reason you went with marlin over repetier?   

I hooked up the Z and it moves, but I need to dive in to the configuration.h and set it up right before something gets damaged.    Are you microstepping and if so at what rate?

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robertf wrote:

any reason you went with marlin over repetier?   

I hooked up the Z and it moves, but I need to dive in to the configuration.h and set it up right before something gets damaged.    Are you microstepping and if so at what rate?


I have always used Marlin so I am more familiar with it. I could not get Repetier to cooperate with my end stop logic and motor homes.

Marlin also supports arc curves do circles and curves are actually rounded versus having polygon surfaces.

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what about the microstepping?  Do you remember how you set the jumpers?

I threw this bracket together tonight.   http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:830769

Tomorrow I plan on finishing the wiring and attempting to drive it.

16 (edited by carl_m1968 2015-05-16 07:09:01)

Re: About to commit Da Vincicide....

robertf wrote:

what about the microstepping?  Do you remember how you set the jumpers?

I threw this bracket together tonight.   http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:830769

Tomorrow I plan on finishing the wiring and attempting to drive it.

All three are installed on each stepper which is 1/16. According to the Wiki RAMPS does not support 1/32.

I forgot to mention, you will need a small fan blowing directly on the RAMPS. The problem is not the stepper drivers but the MOSFET that controls the bed heater. It will get too hot and shut off without active cooling. This is a known issue with RAMPS. Seems they decided to have owners use a fan versus chsnging the device. You could get a MOSFET with a higher current capacity I guess as long as it is still a TO220 style package. That is all there is room for in that location. Other option would be to use the MOSFET to drive a relay to run the bed. This is all of course if you did not want to install a fan in the case back.

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Re: About to commit Da Vincicide....

well its all wired up and I figured now is as good a time as any to throw the Pico B3 hot end on there

The thingiverse bracket is way off so I started one from scratch

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:831858

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I've got everything up and running except the limit switches and the lcd panel

Once I get the LCD panel does it use the SD card to store file transfers and run them automatically?  I'll be a little disappointed if I have to either keep a PC hooked up to the printer any time a program is running, or if I have to use SD cards to transfer files back and forth.

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The RAMPS lcd has an sdcard slot and it is enabled. If you you used my firmware upload it is already configured for the commonly used smaller LCD and sdcard reader. It will read a card for gcode files and you can select and print them from the lcd/card. You only really need the pc to upload/update firmware and to make changes to the EEPROM through RH.

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well I ordered the LCD and end stops last night.  No tracking # 24 hours later so I have my doubts that I'll get it any time soon.

Right now its working as long as I don't do any homing and manually position the nozzle before starting

The extruder clicks and stops feeding filament a few minutes in to the print.   I swapped the stock hot end for the pico B3, but I think its jamming so I may try out a different brand of hot end.  Its the same extruder gears and feed speeds that were working fine with the da vinci stuff.  This is happening on ABS, PLA, and PET.

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robertf wrote:

well I ordered the LCD and end stops last night.  No tracking # 24 hours later so I have my doubts that I'll get it any time soon.

Right now its working as long as I don't do any homing and manually position the nozzle before starting

The extruder clicks and stops feeding filament a few minutes in to the print.   I swapped the stock hot end for the pico B3, but I think its jamming so I may try out a different brand of hot end.  Its the same extruder gears and feed speeds that were working fine with the da vinci stuff.  This is happening on ABS, PLA, and PET.


I was having the same issue although I have yet to change my hotend. It is still stock. I had to lower my print speed to 20 and set extruder temp to 220 and bed to 90. Once I did that it is prunting like a champ. I am not sure what the difference is between the RAMPS and the stock  board as the stock board can print fine ar 50 to 60mm/s. The only real difference may be the stock board was set for 1/8 microstepping as far as I could tell while the RAMPS is set for 1/16. That is the only real difference. I may try setting the ramps up for 1/8. The change in firmware is easy, just half or was it double your steps per mm?

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robertf wrote:

well I ordered the LCD and end stops last night.  No tracking # 24 hours later so I have my doubts that I'll get it any time soon.

Right now its working as long as I don't do any homing and manually position the nozzle before starting

The extruder clicks and stops feeding filament a few minutes in to the print.   I swapped the stock hot end for the pico B3, but I think its jamming so I may try out a different brand of hot end.  Its the same extruder gears and feed speeds that were working fine with the da vinci stuff.  This is happening on ABS, PLA, and PET.


I was having the same issue although I have yet to change my hotend. It is still stock. I had to lower my print speed to 20 and set extruder temp to 220 and bed to 90. Once I did that it is prunting like a champ. I am not sure what the difference is between the RAMPS and the stock  board as the stock board can print fine ar 50 to 60mm/s. The only real difference may be the stock board was set for 1/8 microstepping as far as I could tell while the RAMPS is set for 1/16. That is the only real difference. I may try setting the ramps up for 1/8. The change in firmware is easy, just half or was it double your steps per mm?

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23 (edited by robertf 2015-05-19 04:28:19)

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I tried the 1/8 and it seems better.  The fill is too thin, and rather than change the firmware a bunch of times I adjusted the extruder % to 1.25 and then the nozzle jammed to the point where it won't unjam without removal.

I don't think you have to change the steps per mm for a microstep change.  I noticed it was thin even at 1/16.

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so I'm about ready to cut my losses and just pick up another 1.0 and part this project out.

RAMPS on a da vinci is a bust.  You lose off line printing capabilities,  you have to print slower, and it jams all the time

25 (edited by carl_m1968 2015-05-20 03:12:47)

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robertf wrote:

so I'm about ready to cut my losses and just pick up another 1.0 and part this project out.

RAMPS on a da vinci is a bust.  You lose off line printing capabilities,  you have to print slower, and it jams all the time

My RAMPS works with an SD card with no problems and no PC attached. Just pop the card into the LCD panel and it shows s list of yhe gcode foles on the card. Scroll to the one you want, press the knob and it starts heating.

As for jamming, I did have that issue with Shaxon Pink. But once I slowed to 20mm/s at 220c I no longer had jams. I am still trying yo figure out the rason fo having to go slower. I am beginning to think it may be the difference in processing speed  between the mega and due. Its possible that the speed the speed the stock board prints the mega cant run the extruder that fast and it skips steps causing the porous infill and under extrusion I was getting.  For me speed is not a requirement so I live with it running slower. I am actually used to such speeds as my Evolution did about the same.

If you dont have an LCD, there is an add on sdcard port you can buy that attaches directly to the board but then you will need access to the board all the time or an extension cable.

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