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Topic: Glass Bed Mod

Hey guys,

I don't know if someone had this already, but I would like to share to the community about my new glass.

My SD Workbench Apprentice has one glass bed. And for everybody, I know this is a pain in the A@$ to clean and keep reusing one glass bed. So I decided to go to one of the glass store where they can customize cut for you.

It my area,  I spend $20 Canadian to get a pre cut of 4 - 6"X 6" in 3mm thick,
and have one side of the glass to lightly "sand blast".      That is right... SAND BLAST !

Results was amazing!
Now I can use one smooth side, hair spray it for ABS and the sand blasted on the other side for PLA.
No need painter's tape or Kapton for PLA.

Next time, I'm thinking getting 6" x 7", a bit longer for my bed as I need to print something bigger.

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Re: Glass Bed Mod

I have been considering doing the same thing myself, good to know it works well.

SD3 w/ RUMBA (8825s), merlin hot end (in pieces). Ender3 w/ silent board for PLA printing. Ender5 w/ silent board, e3d v6, new z lead screw, and glass bed. DiY Kossel w/ smoothieboard (in pieces). Vellman Vertex (in pieces)
Shapeoko2 router in process of being converted to laser engraver (in pieces)
Multicam 5000 series CNC Router w/ 11HP spindle, 5x10' table, and auto tool changer (in pieces)

3 (edited by joeix3 2015-06-18 17:34:22)

Re: Glass Bed Mod

My friend also wants me to try a alloy plate in 3-4 mm thick as it also can hold heat well better than the glass
and heat up the compartment, this made sure to avoid any warping on ABS.

They have variety of thickness and may use sandpaper to scratch one side too and see if PLA will be good.

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If the glass is heated to around 60 to 90 then PLA should stick to it like glue with nothing added and then pop loose once cool. you will actually hear it pop.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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joeix3 wrote:

My friend also wants me to try a alloy plate in 3-4 mm thick as it also can hold heat well better than the glass
and heat up the compartment, this made sure to avoid any warping on ABS.

They have variety of thickness and may use sandpaper to scratch one side too and see if PLA will be good.


I can attest to the fact that the thicker the aluminum plate is, the longer it is going to take to heat it up.

I replaced my SD4's warped plate with a piece of aluminum plate I had lying around that is 4.75mm thick, with a mirror plate on top of that. I dont worry about warping anymore, and it does hold the heat beautifully - BUT - the big trade off, unless you are upgrading the heat pad as well, is it takes nearly 20 minutes to get it hot enough for doing ABS (105-110C).

60C for doing PLA only takes about 5-6 mins, however.

And using the glass/mirror on top, with hairspray, makes things so much nicer for removing parts once they are done - I don't have to worry about gouging the aluminum or kapton tape - ever.

I realize that 4.75mm is a bit of overkill, but the cost was $0 since I already had it. all I had to do was cut to the appropriate size, drill a small depression for the thermistor, holes for the leveling screws, stick on the heat pad, insulate and install (no cost, except my time, which doesn't seem to be worth much these days...)

SD4 #1 & #2 - Lawsy carriages, E3D v6, Rumba controller board, mirror bed plate, X motor fan, upgraded PSU & Mica bed heater
SD4 #3 - in the works ~ Folgertech FT-5, rev 1
Printit Industries Beta Tester - Horizon H1

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I feel like copper or tungsten would make great bed materials if they weren't so ungodly expensive. Copper has better thermal conductivity and less expansion than aluminum, and tungsten has comparable thermal conductivity to aluminum and very little thermal expansion.

SD3 w/ RUMBA (8825s), merlin hot end (in pieces). Ender3 w/ silent board for PLA printing. Ender5 w/ silent board, e3d v6, new z lead screw, and glass bed. DiY Kossel w/ smoothieboard (in pieces). Vellman Vertex (in pieces)
Shapeoko2 router in process of being converted to laser engraver (in pieces)
Multicam 5000 series CNC Router w/ 11HP spindle, 5x10' table, and auto tool changer (in pieces)

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@Heartless,

That is an amazing information.
Thank you, just what I need to hear, and definitely, a better heat pad.
I don't mind waiting for a full heat up on alloy bed, aslong I dont waste on filament.
Even wify thinks I'm going overboard by using light bulb 40w to heat up my SD enclosure,
coz my office is in air condition.

I've been using the freezer to pop out ABS on glass bed and it scares me that maybe in one day
it will crack and who knows that it may injure my hand or eyes.

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I just use Elmers purple glue sticks. It works great. Parts wont budge during printing and once the bed cools to around 45 the parts literally lift right off with no effort.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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granted, the freezer will make it cool a little faster, but is completely unnecessary. having more than one glass plate, however, is awesome.

print on one, when it is done, pop out that plate, pop a fresh one in, and print away while the first one cools. smile the parts will pop loose all on their own as they cool down. or you can get impatient, like me, and use a single edge razor to loosen the edges, LOL

and I don't need any "extra" heat sources for my SD - I lower the bed down to around 100mms (or more) during bed warm up time - it seems to heat up just a little faster that way (or maybe it is just wishful thinking...), and, since heat rises, the chamber warms up pretty good at the same time.

SD4 #1 & #2 - Lawsy carriages, E3D v6, Rumba controller board, mirror bed plate, X motor fan, upgraded PSU & Mica bed heater
SD4 #3 - in the works ~ Folgertech FT-5, rev 1
Printit Industries Beta Tester - Horizon H1

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@carl_m1968,

What do you use to clean elmer's glue of the glass bed?
Sorry, really new on this things.

I tried ABS+acetone but lots of work to clean it.
I've been using super hold hairspray, 2 lightly coats  for ABS, then for clean up, hot water
while scrapping it off.

11 (edited by heartless 2015-06-18 21:30:34)

Re: Glass Bed Mod

I used to use the glue sticks, too - but finally got the hairspray to work for me and haven't looked back... the elmers washable school glue sticks (purple)

The glue sticks were messy and/or sticky to clean up when it was time to do that. and I would still occasionally get lifting/warping on one or more corners - so frustrating!

The hairspray cleans up so much easier... and doesn't leave any residue on the parts like the glue sticks occasionally did. and in all honesty, once I figured out the right amount to use, I haven't hardly had a part lift/warp since I made the switch. A good dousing of windex and a paper towel and it is all gone. no need to scrape

SD4 #1 & #2 - Lawsy carriages, E3D v6, Rumba controller board, mirror bed plate, X motor fan, upgraded PSU & Mica bed heater
SD4 #3 - in the works ~ Folgertech FT-5, rev 1
Printit Industries Beta Tester - Horizon H1

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Yap, same here.

Found the right amount too, as having too much... it peels off with the ABS while still printing. (argh! bad memories)
I even put on the heat bed to let it cook a bit, then stored it in a ziplock bag with those silicon thingy little bags for next use.

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joeix3 wrote:

@carl_m1968,

What do you use to clean elmer's glue of the glass bed?
Sorry, really new on this things.

I tried ABS+acetone but lots of work to clean it.
I've been using super hold hairspray, 2 lightly coats  for ABS, then for clean up, hot water
while scrapping it off.

I just take a warm damp warm cloth and it wipes right off. It is made to clean up with water. However I usually dont clean it for several prints. Atleast not till I see a sizable layer building up.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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Thank you Guys for all the great information I can get.


Keep on Printing !