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Topic: Offbrand Filament problems for Solidoodle Press

I ran out of Solidoodle filament. I tried using my local computer shop's filament (Microcenter brand), however I'm having trouble. The filament extrudes fine while the print head is at the home state and I'm using the Soliprint Extrude 50mm command. However when I begin printing, the filament jams and stops producing.

I'm not sure what causes this. Is it bad filament? is there a temperature drop when I begin my print? Has anyone else had this problem?

I'm using Microcenter ABS Filament,
Printing at 240-255 degrees, Extrudes perfectly when doing a 50mm extrude. Printing jams.
Bed temp 90-105


thanks

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155 Celsius ??????

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Agreed. 155 is way too low. Try 230-240!

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hkrivell wrote:

Printing at 140-155 degrees, Extrudes perfectly when doing a 50mm extrude. Printing jams.
Bed temp 90-105

thanks

Unless that's a typo, your "printing" temps are WAAAY off. 

ABS becomes soft enough to extrude around 195°C, and even there it's still a bit on the low side.  Most of us print with ABS at around 205°-220°C

Check your thermistor to make sure it's still properly attached, then check your temps again.

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Woops. I meant 240-255.  The Solidoodle support recommended I jack the temp up.

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If it is jamming on the first layer you may have the nozzle too close to the bed.

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hkrivell wrote:

Woops. I meant 240-255.  The Solidoodle support recommended I jack the temp up.

Did you tried PLA before ?

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You didn't give enough information to properly diagnose the problem.

When you say "it jams", do you mean the nozzle physically clogs up and you have to remove it, clean it and replace it before it will print again or do you mean that the filament just breaks at some point before it gets fed into the extruder.   

In other words, how do you "clear the jam?"    If all it takes to fix it is unscrewing the two screws holding on the plastic cover and the heatsink then pulling out a little bit of broken or bent filament above the heatblock, then the most likely cause is overheating. 

In this case, I'd suggest dropping the heat to 215-220 and opening the case slightly to allow some of the heat to escape.   I've seen this with third party filament where over time the heatsink can't dissapate enough heat and it ends up heating the entire extruder.   The filament softens BEFORE it gets to the heatblock and either bends or breaks between the extruder wheel and the heatblock itself.    I'm seeing this now.    I'm using at third-party filament now, and I'm seeing exactly this problem.   It usually occurs about an hour into a print (long enough for the whole extruder to heat up).

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By jamming I mean it stops drawing layers. It's odd because it extrudes fine in its home position, but when it draws, it makes that thumping noise and only a small trace of filament comes out. Some times I have to unclog before I try again.

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Check the wires to your extruder stepper motor. Similar symptoms can be caused by a break in the wire.

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I agree, it's likely a broken wire to the extruder.   When the extruder moves, it flexes the wire and breaks the connection.   In the "home" state, there is no stress on the wire and it extrudes properly.

Here is a link to a picture of the top of the extruder.   Check the wires on this connector to make sure they're not loose or broken.
             http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?actio … mp;preview

This posting has a picture on how Solidoodle fixed the wire stress problem by connecting the cable bundle to the right side of the printer, rerouting the cable bundle then cable tying the bundle to the extruder fan.   This takes all the stress off that connector.
             http://www.soliforum.com/topic/10800/ro … ess-vs-me/

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So I went back to Microcenter to get some Tech Support with my printing problems with the Microcenter filament. The Microcenter techs admitted the Microcenter Filament is a very low quality filament ($18.00 for 1kg) and I should attempt using a reputable brand name before making any major repairs.

I have a spool of Hatchbox arriving  soon and will attempt a print with that stuff. I have seen some of you guys using it on your Solidoodle press and thought I might try it.

I also bought Cleaner filament. Has anyone ever tried using cleaner filament on their Press?

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I"m running Hatchbox right now...  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J0H … ge_o08_s00

After than lowering the temperature to 215 (recommended was 210-240), I haven't seen any issues.   Prior to lowering the temperature, I was occassionally getting little burnt bits in some of the layers.   I think little bits were accumulating on the nozzle then dropping into the print every once in a while.    This seemed to go away after I reduced the temperature.

I ran a 10 hour print yesterday with no issues at all.

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I've never had filament trouble from microcenter inland filament.

If your extruder works fine when free extruding, but fails when you start to print, check your zoffset. if the head is too low, the print bed may be shutting off the flow of plastic from the nozzle. (How to check? Take, a flat piece of metal, say a box cutter blade, measure the thickness, and do a g0 move to that height. Now try and slide the metal under the nozzle. If it interferes by much, g0 until the metal just fits, then reduce your zoffset by the error.)

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I use midland all the time with no issues either. I also use Shaxon but only the basic colors. I have not had much luck with their bright colors.

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Awesome. I'll try lowering the temp on the Microcenter brand. I haven't tried lowering it yet, in fact I was jacking it up to 255c.

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hkrivell wrote:

Awesome. I'll try lowering the temp on the Microcenter brand. I haven't tried lowering it yet, in fact I was jacking it up to 255c.

For the midland I use 225 to 235. Natural will print st 220.

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I was able to narrow down the problem just short of solving. It's not a drive gear issue but a clogging issue. It looks like both Hatchbox and Microcenter gets clogged after a few minutes of printing. I practiced using the Z offset calibration and the issue occurs at the +1 mark where the gear starts thumping and I have to stop the print, retract, then use a paperclip to unclog the nozzel.

When I remove the filament, instead of a clean needle like stinger coming out of the print head, I get a very long tail with a glob in the middle then another tail.

I've ruled out drive gear issues and Z offset issues.

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Re: Offbrand Filament problems for Solidoodle Press

Hmm, my temperature may also be off. I am able to do a better z offset with hatchbox at 260. where as some of you are printing at 215 - 225.

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trayracing wrote:

I've never had filament trouble from microcenter inland filament.

If your extruder works fine when free extruding, but fails when you start to print, check your zoffset. if the head is too low, the print bed may be shutting off the flow of plastic from the nozzle. (How to check? Take, a flat piece of metal, say a box cutter blade, measure the thickness, and do a g0 move to that height. Now try and slide the metal under the nozzle. If it interferes by much, g0 until the metal just fits, then reduce your zoffset by the error.)

Thanks Trayracing. I tooled with the z offset. Not necessarily using your method but re-adjusted for plenty of z space between the bed and nozzel. I dropped .02 from the norm and so far so good. My prints are looking better too. I'll let you know if I run into trouble.

The Z-offset instructions seem misleading. I just used trial and error. Here are my specs.
Filament: Hatchbox ABS White
Z offset: 3.60
Head Temp: 250
Bed Temp: 100

Test print, custom Lincoln Logs
roughly 6"x 6"

Thanks for the help guys, a combination of Temperature settings and Z Offset did the trick.

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Well it seems there is also a Thermistor problem. My Temps went all haywire towards the end of a print and it started clogging again.

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After several successful prints. Things are going very well with the Hatchbox. I dropped the Z offset by .2 and it's been cranking out prints as long as the drive gear pin stays put and the thermistor doesn't go haywire. I will try the Microcenter brand after I run out of Hatchbox. Thanks again for your help.

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