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Topic: How do I modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA

I was wondering how I can modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA. Thanks

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Re: How do I modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA

ArcticWolf_11 wrote:

I was wondering how I can modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA. Thanks

You would need a new hotend like the E3D then modify the carriage to accomodate it. Or buy for 100 bucks and official hot end from XYZ. If you fo an E3D or similar conversion you will also have to flash the firmware to Repetier.

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Re: How do I modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA

If you have a 1.0A you just need adjusted settings.

4 (edited by carl_m1968 2015-05-20 18:44:32)

Re: How do I modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA

mwinschel wrote:

If you have a 1.0A you just need adjusted settings.


Just an FYI since I have not seen you posting before I am assuming you have or are referring to the newer 1.0A. The first generation 1.0A although it said on the box it was, it was in fact not PLA ready and will not print PLA unless you buy the optional PLA ready hot end. Which was referenced in a foot note in the instructions once you opened it. Later that foot note only referenced the website for further information on PLA compatibility. Going to that site would take you to the parts page for the new extruder. So just because you have a 1.0A does not automatically mean you can print with PLA. The first gen 1.0A was nothing more than a 1.0 that they changed the mainboard design and pinout on in hopes to thwart the hackers from getting around the DRM on the filament. So it depends on if you have a 1.0A that was purchased recently or one of the earlier ones. There was a thread posted several months ago with a chart from XYZ that had a serial number break down so you could ID your device and it's capabilities based on the serial number.

You may want to refer to this thread for more information on the issue with the 1.0A.

http://www.soliforum.com/topic/9371/printing-pla-10a/

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Re: How do I modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA

carl_m1968 wrote:
ArcticWolf_11 wrote:

I was wondering how I can modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA. Thanks

You would need a new hotend like the E3D then modify the carriage to accomodate it. Or buy for 100 bucks and official hot end from XYZ. If you fo an E3D or similar conversion you will also have to flash the firmware to Repetier.


thanks, I'm already flashed to Repetier 9.2 and I have the 1.0a. So how would I change the hot end out if I bought the E3D one and would that be all I need to do? I am also using Simplify3D

6 (edited by carl_m1968 2015-05-20 19:25:25)

Re: How do I modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA

Just search through the last 5 to 10 pages in the Da Vinci section. There about 5 people that have converted to E3D and they all posted the way they did it. Also try a search on Thingiverse for Da Vinci E3D. There you will get several full carriage replacements and somr simple mods to the existing carriage.

However as was just said there is a chance your 1.0A may already be PLA compatible. Have you bought any and tried it?

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Re: How do I modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA

haven't tried printing PLA yet, how can I tell if its already compatible?

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mine says 1.0A on the serial # and it clogged with shaxon PLA.  Maybe the xyz PLA is a different composition

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robertf wrote:

mine says 1.0A on the serial # and it clogged with shaxon PLA.  Maybe the xyz PLA is a different composition

I am going to assume that like the ABS from XYZ that their PLA is also specially formulated to melt at a much lower temp than the 3rd party stuff. I assume they do this as yet another tactic to keep you from going third party. The stock firmware will not even let you get hot enough for some third party ABS.

So I would bet my Delta printer they will do the same with their PLA so the max temp of the extruder wont reach the temps for third party PLA.

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ArcticWolf_11 wrote:

haven't tried printing PLA yet, how can I tell if its already compatible?

There is no real way. You can take the extruder assembly out and compare it to the picture in the thread I referenced. If it looks exactly like that one then it will not work with PLA.  If it looks different then it might.

People need to understand that XYZ uses a custom formula for ABS that enables it to melt and print at 190 which is the temp that a cartridge will ser the  machine for. This in itself makes it difficult to use some other vendors ABS. It would only be logical for them to do the same with their PLA.

If they say a machine will print with PLA they mean it will print with their brand and formula, not another brand.

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Re: How do I modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA

carl_m1968 wrote:
mwinschel wrote:

If you have a 1.0A you just need adjusted settings.


Just an FYI since I have not seen you posting before I am assuming you have or are referring to the newer 1.0A. The first generation 1.0A although it said on the box it was, it was in fact not PLA ready and will not print PLA unless you buy the optional PLA ready hot end. Which was referenced in a foot note in the instructions once you opened it. Later that foot note only referenced the website for further information on PLA compatibility. Going to that site would take you to the parts page for the new extruder. So just because you have a 1.0A does not automatically mean you can print with PLA. The first gen 1.0A was nothing more than a 1.0 that they changed the mainboard design and pinout on in hopes to thwart the hackers from getting around the DRM on the filament. So it depends on if you have a 1.0A that was purchased recently or one of the earlier ones. There was a thread posted several months ago with a chart from XYZ that had a serial number break down so you could ID your device and it's capabilities based on the serial number.

You may want to refer to this thread for more information on the issue with the 1.0A.

http://www.soliforum.com/topic/9371/printing-pla-10a/

My serial number starts with a 3F10A which is listed as compatible without upgrade.  Purchased about a month ago.

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Re: How do I modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA

mwinschel wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:
mwinschel wrote:

If you have a 1.0A you just need adjusted settings.


Just an FYI since I have not seen you posting before I am assuming you have or are referring to the newer 1.0A. The first generation 1.0A although it said on the box it was, it was in fact not PLA ready and will not print PLA unless you buy the optional PLA ready hot end. Which was referenced in a foot note in the instructions once you opened it. Later that foot note only referenced the website for further information on PLA compatibility. Going to that site would take you to the parts page for the new extruder. So just because you have a 1.0A does not automatically mean you can print with PLA. The first gen 1.0A was nothing more than a 1.0 that they changed the mainboard design and pinout on in hopes to thwart the hackers from getting around the DRM on the filament. So it depends on if you have a 1.0A that was purchased recently or one of the earlier ones. There was a thread posted several months ago with a chart from XYZ that had a serial number break down so you could ID your device and it's capabilities based on the serial number.

You may want to refer to this thread for more information on the issue with the 1.0A.

http://www.soliforum.com/topic/9371/printing-pla-10a/

My serial number starts with a 3F10A which is listed as compatible without upgrade.  Purchased about a month ago.

That means compatible with XYZ brand filament, not other vendors. This key and I think what people are missing.  The stuff XYZ sells IS NOT standard PLA. Their ABS is slso not standard.

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Re: How do I modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA

carl_m1968 wrote:
mwinschel wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

Just an FYI since I have not seen you posting before I am assuming you have or are referring to the newer 1.0A. The first generation 1.0A although it said on the box it was, it was in fact not PLA ready and will not print PLA unless you buy the optional PLA ready hot end. Which was referenced in a foot note in the instructions once you opened it. Later that foot note only referenced the website for further information on PLA compatibility. Going to that site would take you to the parts page for the new extruder. So just because you have a 1.0A does not automatically mean you can print with PLA. The first gen 1.0A was nothing more than a 1.0 that they changed the mainboard design and pinout on in hopes to thwart the hackers from getting around the DRM on the filament. So it depends on if you have a 1.0A that was purchased recently or one of the earlier ones. There was a thread posted several months ago with a chart from XYZ that had a serial number break down so you could ID your device and it's capabilities based on the serial number.

You may want to refer to this thread for more information on the issue with the 1.0A.

http://www.soliforum.com/topic/9371/printing-pla-10a/

My serial number starts with a 3F10A which is listed as compatible without upgrade.  Purchased about a month ago.

That means compatible with XYZ brand filament, not other vendors. This key and I think what people are missing.  The stuff XYZ sells IS NOT standard PLA. Their ABS is slso not standard.

Sorry, just wanted to let the author know that I have been successfully running prints for several days on third party PLA with no modifications to the stock unit.

14 (edited by carl_m1968 2015-05-21 02:15:18)

Re: How do I modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA

mwinschel wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:
mwinschel wrote:

My serial number starts with a 3F10A which is listed as compatible without upgrade.  Purchased about a month ago.

That means compatible with XYZ brand filament, not other vendors. This key and I think what people are missing.  The stuff XYZ sells IS NOT standard PLA. Their ABS is slso not standard.

Sorry, just wanted to let the author know that I have been successfully running prints for several days on third party PLA with no modifications to the stock unit.


Well consider yourself lucky then. Most have not had your luck even on a 1.0A and have had horrible jams that are incredibly hard to clear since acetone does nothing to PLA.

Honestly I am not even sure why everyone is jumping on PLA. It is less durable than ABS , can't be used outside, and will melt if left in a car. Its only redeeming grace is that its biodegradable and smells like hot caramel when extruding.

The fact the new junior will only print in PLA is what keeps me from buying it. I know you are trying to help but you might also be confusing the issue as I don't recall Articwolf ever saying he had a 1.0A. He simply said Da Vinci, which would normally imply a 1.0 which cannot do nor was advertised as being able to do PLA.

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Re: How do I modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA

Guess I should hold off before I invest more in PLA spools.  Threw a lucky dart I guess.  I have my temp set for 240, bed at 60, and speeds in the 50-60mm/s range.  I did find if I drop the temp at all, set the speeds slower or change the layer height I start the click of death though.  Quality of the prints is really nice and very smooth.  Using a hatchbox PLA from amazon.

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carl_m1968 wrote:

Honestly I am not even sure why everyone is jumping on PLA. It is less durable than ABS , can't be used outside, and will melt if left in a car. Its only redeeming grace is that its biodegradable and smells like hot caramel when extruding.

2 reasons

1st,  R&D makes a lot of waste, I feel less guilty throwing PLA in the trash than ABS

2nd, I want to some day print the exotics.  If I can't figure out PLA I probably shouldn't look in to nylon

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robertf wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

Honestly I am not even sure why everyone is jumping on PLA. It is less durable than ABS , can't be used outside, and will melt if left in a car. Its only redeeming grace is that its biodegradable and smells like hot caramel when extruding.

2 reasons

1st,  R&D makes a lot of waste, I feel less guilty throwing PLA in the trash than ABS

2nd, I want to some day print the exotics.  If I can't figure out PLA I probably shouldn't look in to nylon


Personaly I would go with go with polycarbonate before the nylon. If nothing else just due to the strength and impact resistance.

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18 (edited by ArcticWolf_11 2015-05-21 05:06:48)

Re: How do I modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA

I have the 1.0A carl, and I said that earlier lol

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ArcticWolf_11 wrote:

I have the 1.0A carl, and I said that earlier lol

Well then according to the other guy your set to go then..  Especially if you buy XYZ's double the price brand..

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Re: How do I modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA

You might want to try modding the stock hotend before switching to a new one.
I've had great results printing PLA and many other types of filament just by adding a few heatsinks and relocating the extruder fan.

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Re: How do I modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA

I bought the printer about a month ago so I think i'm good, and what modifications scobo?

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I posted few pics here .... http://www.soliforum.com/post/94467/#p94467
It's a very quick and easy mod, just some small heatsinks added to the extruder using thermal paste. I put some paste on the stock heatsink too. Then moved the fan to the position in the photos.
This setup provides better cooling of the extruder barrel which is needed for PLA.
It's quick and easy to go back to the stock configuration so you've nothing to lose by trying it.

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23 (edited by oscahie 2015-05-21 23:18:44)

Re: How do I modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA

carl_m1968 wrote:

Honestly I am not even sure why everyone is jumping on PLA. It is less durable than ABS , can't be used outside, and will melt if left in a car. Its only redeeming grace is that its biodegradable and smells like hot caramel when extruding.


Printing with PLA is soooooo much easier and troublefree than with ABS. Plus PLA is stronger, more rigid. Sure in some cases you must use ABS, but so far I find that PLA is just fine for most of the things I need to print.

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Re: How do I modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA

I dont really consider it trouble free if you have to mod your machine or install an alternate print head to use it.  I have used PLA as my old printer was completely open and PLA only. I found personally that PLA is much more picky about your bed level and calibration when it came to sticking. Of course I printed on treated and heated aluminum with nothing else so that could be why.

I agree with PLA being more ridgid and to me that is a negative attribute. PLA will break where ABS will still flex some. Now as you sometimes an alternative material is needed. In my case ABS is my primary and PLA is my alternate. I however am building a Delta to handle my PLA needs as well as other materials like nylon or polycarbonate.

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Re: How do I modify the Da Vinci to be able to print PLA

ArcticWolf_11,

Check out this topic, you might find it informing

http://www.soliforum.com/topic/10105/mo … s-working/

I have a 2.0 that was not out-of-the-box compatible with PLA or xyz's so called "PLA".  Did a few simple tricks, now it's running like a charm!

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