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elmoret wrote:

I pulled down the assembly directions for beta V2. I'll post an updated version soon.

Are you adding a section to address the cooling issues?  tongue
Just messing with you I knew you were getting irritated with our "solutions" to a problem that doesn't exist.

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cmetzel wrote:

Are you adding a section to address the cooling issues?  tongue
Just messing with you I knew you were getting irritated with our "solutions" to a problem that doesn't exist.

Not irritated! Sorry if I gave that vibe. I just didn't want people to spend time CAD-ing things up that might not work or be needed. smile

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elmoret wrote:
cmetzel wrote:

Are you adding a section to address the cooling issues?  tongue
Just messing with you I knew you were getting irritated with our "solutions" to a problem that doesn't exist.

Not irritated! Sorry if I gave that vibe. I just didn't want people to spend time CAD-ing things up that might not work or be needed. smile


You just reminded me that I am going to have to print a new parts for v2.

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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I was just messing with you.  I got a kick out of all the "cooling" solutions when you kept saying it wasn't needed.  Being a smartass by nature it made me want to come up with more elaborate solutions for the "problem".  haha

Wish I had more time I would love to beta test with you all.  Not in the cards for me at the moment but I will still watch and offer ideas where I can.

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I've been thinking it would be useful to design a graduated hopper.  Maybe leave a slot up the side that you could fill with clear film (like for an overhead projector) and mark off a scale calculated to show you the amount of filament extruded in weight or length.

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That should work fine. Packing tape run down the inside and outside would give you a clear indicator, or like you said thicker walls and a slot.

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Beta v2 instructions are ready. Old beta guys - can you look at the electrical section and see if it makes more sense?

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1786359/Filastruder.zip (5.9MB)

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Electrical makes more sense, but I think it would be helpful to also include a photo of the green wires attached to the chassis.  It could be an easy one for people to forget.

Other Notes:
No store around here knows what a #52 bit is. I would change or clarify that you can use a 1/16" bit instead.

Figure 1A - needs to be updated to change the "2-prong female" to "3-prong female". I would also add that the wire colors to that diagram as well. Add 3-prong female ground to threaded rod.

Figure 2 - Add depth of section to cut

Figure 3 - This screwed me up on my v1 kit.  In this figure, the flat has a 1/32" hole instead of the correct 1/16" (#52 bit) hole.  I am more of a visual learner and went off this figure instead of listening to the correctly written directions (Raw Parts Kit, Step 7).  If you screw this up though, you can just drill the correctly sized hole in one of the other flats.

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A #52 bit is 2 thous. bigger than a 1/16 so running a 1/16 bit your output hole will be a little undersize.

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Great suggestions, I'll work those in today.

Other news - ran all night last night - about another 14 hours straight now. No ramen, no thrust bearing wear (at 40 hours now) no motor wear/failure. I have like 8kg of filament now. I've started making spools out of cardboard.

EDIT: Turns out 1.82mm isn't the limit, at least on my solidoodle. THe PEEK was misaligned with respect to the jigsaw replacement, which was causing the filament to bind up. I printed a new jigsaw replacement, and it handles up to 1.85mm just fine.

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How much are you selling filament for?  haha

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cmetzel wrote:

How much are you selling filament for?  haha

Funny you ask. I'm planning a kickstarter, and filament will be one of the rewards.

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Great Job!  I'm waiting for my Solidoodle to arrive today and just found this thread getting ready for it's arrival.

Have you thought about whether this would work if oriented vertically?  That's what I'd personally try due to my own limited space, but there might (or might not) be additional benefits to having the filament come out straight.  I imagine two parallel long boards instead of one to serve as legs, a shaft to mount a spool below, and a side feed hopper which could then be supported and quite tall (think clear shipping tube) and graduated for accurate measuring.

If you put together another parts kit, I'd be interested (only unusual parts needed).  I'm already thinking about ways a little power could be tapped to motorize the spool.

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Couple problems orienting it vertically:

You don't have gravity working with you to feed the hopper, or your hopper geometry gets a lot crazier.
That's a lot of force pulling the filament out of the hole, and it makes it tougher to guide/support the filament. When it's hot, it's kinda like bubblegum.

Having said that, it's not something I've tried, so maybe it'll work fine.

You said limited space - this is not something you'd put on a desk. The motor noise would get old, and I'm not sure I want to breathe that much hot ABS, personally.

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elmoret wrote:
cmetzel wrote:

How much are you selling filament for?  haha

I'm planning a kickstarter


smart

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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Ya, 1/16" being a bit smaller I think works in favor of the filastruder. 

I switched to my first spool of Black (Octave) in my SD2 yesterday and saw the beginning diameter of my spool was over 1.88 and it fed just fine.

I got 2 lbs of natural + black colorant to try and make some black after I update to the v2 design.

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nickythegreek wrote:

Ya, 1/16" being a bit smaller I think works in favor of the filastruder. 

I switched to my first spool of Black (Octave) in my SD2 yesterday and saw the beginning diameter of my spool was over 1.88 and it fed just fine.

I got 2 lbs of natural + black colorant to try and make some black after I update to the v2 design.


I am curious as to how long it will take to flush all the black out if you want to extrude another color after using black.

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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I'll beta test a kilo through my new heat core if you want? smile  I won't even charge you for it...

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nickythegreek wrote:

Ya, 1/16" being a bit smaller I think works in favor of the filastruder. 

I switched to my first spool of Black (Octave) in my SD2 yesterday and saw the beginning diameter of my spool was over 1.88 and it fed just fine.

I got 2 lbs of natural + black colorant to try and make some black after I update to the v2 design.

Have you run any Filastruded filament yet?

EDIT:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1786359/Photo%20Jan%2016%2C%2012%2017%2051%20PM.jpg

All filastruded, except for the blue.

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DePartedPrinter wrote:
elmoret wrote:
cmetzel wrote:

How much are you selling filament for?  haha

I'm planning a kickstarter


smart

I'd back it... I may even go in for the higher rewards end and go for manufacturing my own filament.  Sure cheaper than most other places even with the ramen quantity.

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Damn nice! No I have not.  I don't really have a good area in my house to do alot of filament production.  I am waiting for my v2 before I try and crank out a big batch.  Then I need to clean out a junk room and give a door so that the cats will stay away.  I feel like I really need to extrude from a higher distance as well, my 29" height seems to effect the way its coiling and not positively.

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Watching it extrude some more, I think my trouble might have been related to the table.  When the filament comes out it wants to bend and coil, mostly with the nozzle at the center like twirling a lasso.  As the filament lays down in a circle, the distance between the floor (base of a cone) and the nozzle (tip of a cone) stays the same.  My workbench has a support between the legs a few inches from the ground, so as the filament curls under the table it lands on that support rather than the ground.  It eventually slides or gets pulled off of that support onto the floor, causing some extra jerking around at the nozzle.

Does this sound right?  You who are extruding without any trouble with kinking, does the filament have an unobstructed path below and behind the nozzle?

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IanJohnson wrote:

You who are extruding without any trouble with kinking, does the filament have an unobstructed path below and behind the nozzle?

Yes. This area is clear on mine:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1786359/clear%20area.png

If I move it in towards the workbench, it'll kink, probably getting caught on the stuff under the workbench.

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Ian,

This is my issue, I don't have enough height, or enough un-interrupted space.  I believe the space to be more important than distance to the floor.

It seems like the filament needs to be completely uninterrupted in its fall and let it self coil.  If my filament hit a skinny table leg or support it got angry.

That is my biggest interest in a spooling system.  Not that spooling would be to time consuming, but that I wouldnt need such a large area to produce filament in.

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CNet just put up a post about the Filabot and its ability to reclaim used plastic.  However the article is void of any real information.

http://reviews.cnet.com/3d-printers/fil … ?ttag=fbwp