1 (edited by cmetzel 2013-01-13 05:52:15)

Topic: Replacement Heat Core - new design

Ordered on 12/19.  Mercifully arrived today, what a long wait.

Anyway the design has changed.  I submit to you for your thoughts.  Seems to be working fine, waiting for the bed to heat up so I can try a print.

http://s9.postimage.org/ydcdjd4gv/heat_core.jpg

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More resistant to cracking/clearing clogs!

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Temps seem to be a little all over the place, but I don't have the right width kapton so I had to cut a stip from some 6" wide stuff and it was a little awkward taping the thermistor in place.  I might be a little looser than I should be. 

Any long term issues with this as long as the wraps are around it or should I get some thin tape and redo it?

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I see they learned from Jon's hotend and went resistor->wire->connector rather than resistor->connector.    The PID auto tune might help with the temperature swings.  .  I don't remember the gcode command for it, but searching auto tune or PID on the forum should turn it up

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M303 S200 to autotune around 200C

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More information about their new hot end can be found here:

http://www.soliforum.com/topic/868/soli … nd-design/

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IanJohnson wrote:

The PID auto tune might help with the temperature swings.

The PID auto tune helped enormously after I switched hot ends.

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I read how to get the PID readings, but how do I input the PID settings into pronterface?  I know you'll tell me to switch to RH but I've become quite proficient with pronterface and I get great results with it somehow.  I don't want to rock the boat and start over.  I don't get much time with it and the time I have I want to be printing.

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cmetzel wrote:

I read how to get the PID readings, but how do I input the PID settings into pronterface?  I know you'll tell me to switch to RH but I've become quite proficient with pronterface and I get great results with it somehow.  I don't want to rock the boat and start over.  I don't get much time with it and the time I have I want to be printing.

I don't think you can from Pronterface without recompiling firmware.

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Can I add a line to my start gcode or something?

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cmetzel wrote:

Can I add a line to my start gcode or something?

Just install Repetier, use it to store the EEPROM values, and go back to Pronterface.

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Okay, I have it installed.  Didn't realize I could do that.

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You can do it from Pronterface - If you enter M500 it will store the current values into EEPROM.  It's easier with Repetier though, you get a form that shows you what the current values are.

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I'll give it a shot, thanks for the help both of you.

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Cmetzel, were you able to get the pid values into the EEPROM through pronterface?  I won't get my new hotends for a couple more days, but with a lot of new hot ends coming out it seems like a good time for another write up since this has been asked quite a few times now.

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Unfortunately I didn't get to it last night, if my kids cooperate tonight I'll try to take a look and give feedback.

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elmoret wrote:

M303 S200 to autotune around 200C

do i just add M303 S200   into the manual page gcode and send ? i tried it and i still get 20 degree heat fluctuations.

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lobosolo wrote:
elmoret wrote:

M303 S200 to autotune around 200C

do i just add M303 S200   into the manual page gcode and send ? i tried it and i still get 20 degree heat fluctuations.

http://www.soliforum.com/topic/868/soli … nd-design/

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jooshs wrote:

Cmetzel, were you able to get the pid values into the EEPROM through pronterface?  I won't get my new hotends for a couple more days, but with a lot of new hot ends coming out it seems like a good time for another write up since this has been asked quite a few times now.

Forgot to come back to update.  I ran the autotune using pronterface, but I put the values in through RH since they have a nice interface for it. 

I still print from pronterface and it seems to have helped, although from time to time I notice that my set temp changes from 195 to 200 by itself, don't know what that is about.

But I'm back in business printing again.

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cmetzel wrote:

I still print from pronterface and it seems to have helped, although from time to time I notice that my set temp changes from 195 to 200 by itself, don't know what that is about.

Settings of your slicing package.

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"The PID auto tune helped enormously after I switched hot ends."

I M303 S200 C(x) anytime I change anything with hardware or software.  It can't hurt; just set X for a reasonable amount of cycles so you get a good number w/o cooking the filament and clogging.

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jefferysanders wrote:

"The PID auto tune helped enormously after I switched hot ends."

I M303 S200 C(x) anytime I change anything with hardware or software.  It can't hurt; just set X for a reasonable amount of cycles so you get a good number w/o cooking the filament and clogging.


Yeah I missed that tip and got my first clog while "autotuning".  Plus now my voice sounds like kanye west.

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Interesting issue with the new hot end and temperature control.  My extruder has been stable within 1-2 degrees most of the time.  However, since I've been running 4-5 hour prints there seems to be a longer cycle where the hot end will stay stable for five minutes and then fluctuate more wildly for 5 minutes a ways into the print.  When it fluctuates wildly, it swings back and forth about 10-11 degrees.  I understand thoroughly how PID controls work and I did run the autotune, but I don't understand what the additional input would be that would cause the change in stability. My case is completely enclosed and I am not running the fan.  Is it possible the MOSFET needs additional help cooling? There is already a fan on the electronics, so I guess the only thing I could do is add another fan or a bigger heat sink.  Any other ideas?

24 (edited by jefferysanders 2013-01-27 02:05:23)

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I used to have a hard time with really long prints myself, after I added small ram heat-sinks (to the stepper drivers) and a 60mm fan and everything seems much better...and now you said that and since I have extras I will stick a couple on the Mosfets (couldn't hurt).  I use a full case for my sang and 60 to 40 Fan adapter keeping positive pressure which helps with dust.  I normally do 7-15 hour prints w/o problem now.  My printer is in use nearly 24-hours a day...so much that demand for redundancy has me adding a couple Prusa i3 printers the first-to-mid next month.  I have almost all the parts in and will begin construction next week!!!

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cmetzel wrote:
jefferysanders wrote:

"The PID auto tune helped enormously after I switched hot ends."

I M303 S200 C(x) anytime I change anything with hardware or software.  It can't hurt; just set X for a reasonable amount of cycles so you get a good number w/o cooking the filament and clogging.


Yeah I missed that tip and got my first clog while "autotuning".  Plus now my voice sounds like kanye west.

HAH!

You think the new heat core design is necessary now that we've switched to heater blocks?

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.