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Re: Fill Issues

I am in the process of printing this right now.  Can you post the g-code file so I can compare the one I sliced and then print with your code?  That way we can tell if it is a setting on your end or a mechanical issue.

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Re: Fill Issues

Sure thing. The only difference between the file I posted and what I printed is that the file doesn't have the auto bed level code added at the beginning.

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Re: Fill Issues

That's perfect since I don't have auto bed leveling.  I'll post some pictures once I get them both printed.

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Re: Fill Issues

Not sure if I've said this, but thanks!

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Re: Fill Issues

You are welcome, quick questions are you really using a temp of 215? 
How long does R-H show for print time?

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Re: Fill Issues

wardjr wrote:

You are welcome, quick questions are you really using a temp of 215? 
How long does R-H show for print time?

I do really use 215, it worked best for the filament Solidoodle sent us first, I guess I never tested out a higher temp with our new filament. My RH gives a 43min finish time, but is usually wrong.

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Re: Fill Issues

I am cranking it out in about 22 minutes with my file and I upped the speed 150% for yours to get it about the same.
I am running a cyclops so when I post the pictures you'll see some bleed over of the colors.  Other than that mine turned out fine so lets see how your file turns out in a bit.

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Re: Fill Issues

While I wait for one last proof of concept print can you tell me how many top solid layers you have selected?
http://soliforum.com/i/?fbpXWkk.png

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Re: Fill Issues

OK
Top left is your file and although on my setup it was difficult without the proper retraction settings and slight over extrusion it turned out fine.
Bottom left is my file and I have intentionally under extruded for this example.  You'll have to ignore the color bleed on both left photos.
Bottom right was printed with 0 top fill layer with a layer of black just under the yellow to help highlight the affect.
Top Right was printed with 1 top fill layer with a later of Yellow just under the Black.  Notice yo don't see any yellow showing through?  I also am under extruding (same extrusion multiplier settings) as I did for the top right print.

http://i.imgur.com/akVT7bC.jpg

Thoughts:
You probably need to increase your extrusion multiplier slightly.  Since using your file I was over extruding we can eliminate extrusion width.
Try slightly higher temps.
locate and remedy any source of slop or play in the mechanical side of things.

I will print one more of these with the proper extrusion multiplier just to see if I can get that smooth finish you are hoping for.

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Re: Fill Issues

So here is one with the proper extrusion multiplier.  Again I printed a single yellow top layer over black (Although I switched extruders a little soon) to emphasize any flaws.  As you can see it is now pretty much a nice solid and smooth top layer.
http://i.imgur.com/ixPIY7W.jpg

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Re: Fill Issues

Thanks for all the help. When I come in tomorrow I'll start with the extrusion multiplier and higher temps. I'm excited to get this going tomorrow because I feel as we're almost close enough to start having the students work with it and get nice results.

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38 (edited by widespreaddeadhead 2015-04-01 14:24:43)

Re: Fill Issues

As soon as I can get this dang bed to heat up! Going on 1.5 hours...

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Re: Fill Issues

Wow that seems wrong, check your connections at the board for the bed heater and PSU.
cover the bed with a folded up towel and enclose the printer with what ever you have handy just to get it up to temp.

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I'm checking the connections right now. I thought it might be the outdated RH we use with our MACs but I just tried using my HP and the bed won't heat with that either.

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As far as I can tell everything is connected. I haven't taken the PSU apart or lifted the aluminum off the bed to check that yet though. It's not that it's not warming enough, it's not warming at all. My RH gives different numbers for the temp depending on if the extruders are on or not but never goes above 5c, if both extruders are off it reads around 1c.

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Re: Fill Issues

And get this....

I reset everything, unplugged and replugged, and started to warm both extruders. I decided to keep the bed off until the extruders were up to temp. Well guess what the bed is doing even when it's set to off? It's warming, it's almost up to temp...

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Re: Fill Issues

Anyone using Windows experience anything like this? I'm almost sure it's the software now because at about 80c I turned the bed on and RH finally displayed "Heating Bed" and it's sitting at 97c on it's way to 110c.

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Re: Fill Issues

Never had that happen before, keep a close eye on it.  Don't want a run away heater.

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45

Re: Fill Issues

I would look into your USB connection I have had those cause funny heating command issues.

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46

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While checking the connections on the heated bed, I took the glass off and set it on my chair. Well, as some might have guessed, I unknowingly sat on it and it shattered. Will be picking up some more glass today or tomorrow. sad

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Almost as bad as students leaving tacks on your chair wink

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Re: Fill Issues

We have two student tech 'helpers' I immediately thought of that I'm surprised haven't done that yet tongue

I'm going to resize the Octave filament and adjust the extrusion multiplier, I don't think anyone did this when we received it. Trying a higher temp and I'll post the results soon.

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Re: Fill Issues

I measured an average of 1.73, extruded at 220C with a multiplier of 1. Averaged the walls at 0.56, which would mean a multiplier of about 85.7%. I used 0.85 as multiplier and reprinted the cube. Great news is all the walls were almost dead on 0.48, bad news is the bottom fill is not solid. Same spacing issues as the top solid infill.

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50 (edited by jagowilson 2015-04-09 16:19:08)

Re: Fill Issues

I think it's backlash. Are some of the lines spaced closely together, while others are further apart? With hysteresis (backlash) on the Y axis, you will find that fill lines come in pairs, with a gap in between the pairs. This is due to mechanical inaccuracy with the machine. The easiest way to assess this as a cause would be to print a 1 perimeter cylinder with 20mm diameter and observe the sides - do any areas of the cylinder have a lump? You'll find the lump is symmetric about a line (cord to the circle), if there is one.