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Topic: Platform tilted - Won't print even front to back.

Hey All,

So the first time I ran z-calibration the sensor didn't drop and the bed forced into the extruder for a few seconds before I was able to get it to stop. Now the platform almost seems tilted forward, or loose. When I run z-calibration I can set a good calibration but it seems different from the front half of the plate to the back half. I thought it would calibrate for an uneven platform but when it prints the front starts fine and then it is too close to the plate to get a good line on the back half of the model. I can see that the extruder is pushing into the bed as it moves back, the platform physically tilts forward due to the force.

Some articles say to level the bed by adjusting the screws, which I have tried. The problem is if I adjust the screws, the glass doesn't fit back in the slides. It seems I would have to re-tighten the connection at the back where the driver is, but I have no clue how to access that without dismantling the entire printer.

Any thoughts? It doesn't seem to mess with small prints much but a piece I'm trying to print is about 120mm and the drop is drastic enough to throw off the print.

Thanks,
Nathan

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Re: Platform tilted - Won't print even front to back.

looking for the same answer as well.  i didnt notice this issue when printing smaller parts and keeping them in the center of the bed.  but with now trying to print larger parts and use more of the bed its a huge problem.

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I'd like to see a screen shot of your Z-Offset Calibration screen (or just list the z-values for the 9 test points and a,b,d), if you guys don't mind.

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Modeling software: 123D Design

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I'm not using Soliprint. Since im a total newb at this I'll see if I can figure that out within Simplify 3D and post it up

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I'm having the same issue. Even with a small part (5cm radius). There is a huge difference in first layer adhesion from the area towards the back, to the area towards the front. The print in the back is nice, and the area to the front is hardly pressed into the bed at all. It is almost like the auto bed leveling is not working. I wish there was a way to manually level the bed at least once. It seems by default it is pretty bad.

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With my press, there is a 2mm difference between the rear calibration points and the front.  tgis combined with z-axis backlash creates some real issues.  The auto-leveling is not very effective due to the backlash.

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Re: Platform tilted - Won't print even front to back.

I think I found a fix for forward tilting and bouncy print bed. There's 2 holes on bottom rear of print bed, I just put a screw into there and the print bed is much more stable now. Not sure about the screw size but it's the one they use to hold the printer sides and lids in place.

You will need to push your print bed all the way up so you have room to get your hands and screwdriver in.

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same thing i came up with this afternoon.  i used 2 #8 x 3/4" pan head phillips screws.

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So far it's working I can actually print something bigger than 2" now!

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ya, when i tore some things apart last night i actually couldn't believe that they didn't put a screw in those two holes  ESPECIALLY seeing as how the holes in the plastic were molded and there ready to have some screws in em.

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jonzerb wrote:

ya, when i tore some things apart last night i actually couldn't believe that they didn't put a screw in those two holes  ESPECIALLY seeing as how the holes in the plastic were molded and there ready to have some screws in em.

But... are they for screws, or to attach some stabilizing springs that would go to the bottom of the case?

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Maybe I'm not understanding something but I don't see how springs pulling down the bed back there would help when the bed is near the bottom of the z axis. Up top, sure. But down low I guess I'm just missing it.

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jonzerb wrote:

Maybe I'm not understanding something but I don't see how springs pulling down the bed back there would help when the bed is near the bottom of the z axis. Up top, sure. But down low I guess I'm just missing it.

Since there is no backlash adjustment, having a constant pressure (spring) pulling the bed down, parallel to the line of travel is an anti-backlash workaround that some have found to work.

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Ah ha. Well, those holes could be used for both. Simply making a tab with a hole in it for a spring and a larger hole for the screw to pass through it you would be killing two birds with one stone back there.

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The springs would only help at the top.  Though maybe by the time the bed is lower, the weight of the part would help?  Seems doubtful. I did put some springs on mine, and it does help with marlin's auto leveling... But yeah, only at the top.

Also, my press (from the first shipment) does have screws there, but the bed still has a forward tilt.   Maybe the lack of screws indicates some poor quality control at the factory.

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Dream-Cypher wrote:

  Maybe the lack of screws indicates some poor quality control at the factory.

You are probably right on with that thinking. Same train of thought I had when I initially saw those 2 unused holes.

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Dream-Cypher wrote:

  Maybe the lack of screws indicates some poor quality control at the factory.

I really am convinced they would have been better off shipping this thing unassembled and as a kit.  The number of issues with the assembly means you basically have to reassemble it anyway, so why not just give us the pieces and charge $50 less?

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jonzerb wrote:

I'm not using Soliprint. Since im a total newb at this I'll see if I can figure that out within Simplify 3D and post it up

Did you add a G29 after homing in your preamble G-code? This runs the autolevel sequence.

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yes.  and it was working nicely for a few days.  Then i to had this bouncing bed issue, after adding some screws...and realizing that somehow along the way i was using a different printer profile in S3D that didnt have the proper start g-code....my prints have gotten much better.

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Re: Platform tilted - Won't print even front to back.

BT wrote:

There's 2 holes on bottom rear of print bed, I just put a screw into there and the print bed is much more stable now.

I can confirm that you are indeed missing screws under the bed. Mine came with them!

Although, my printer bed is still shaking when extruder is near the front of the printer and bed is moving down. I think it's due to resonance of the z-screw: it's loose at the bottom (no fixture to hold it in place).

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Mine has the screws in place and still has a shaking when moving. Like others it tips forward a bit but it is also warped a bit. If I put a straight edge across it there is raised area in the middle. I have performed the Z axis calibration several times and I'm using Soliprint 1.1.1
It drags thru the print in the back and lifts off the bed in the front. It doesn't seem to compensate for any of the differences in bed height 

So far I have tightened the grub screw on the extruder gear, actually gone thru and tightened all the grub screws and any other fastener I could find even removing the left panel to get to the X axis motor.
I have noticed when performing the Z axis calibration it does a nine point check of the bed but when it touches in the rear it does a double tap but when in the front it does a single tap. Not sure if that means anything.

This is my firs 3D printer and I am OK with working on it but I have been messing with this for several days and have yet to get a usable print.

Any suggestions? Thinking I need to remove the printer bed and try to straighten it out.

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I am having this same problem. I will have to check if mine has the scews or not.

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I can see the bed move independently of the plastic mount as I lift on the front of it, it pivots is the best way I can describe it. The screws on the bottom are tight but I can't figure out a way to check the screws on the sides. Will keep scratching my head on this and will post if I figure anything out.
Think I'm going to remove the build plate and attempt to level it. I hope the heat pad will re-stick after removed. Going to insulate the bottom of the build plate also, thinking a fiber board insulation or wood 1/2" thick or so. Trying to speed up the time it takes to heat up the bed

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The bed plate comes off with 4 Allen screws. Then it'll lift off the platform, angle it a bit and you can get it under the platform and out of your way.

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johnrn1967 wrote:

Like others it tips forward a bit but it is also warped a bit. If I put a straight edge across it there is raised area in the middle.
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It drags thru the print in the back and lifts off the bed in the front. It doesn't seem to compensate for any of the differences in bed height.

The warped glass/bed is the problem.  The auto-leveling only compensates for levelness, not flatness. 

Here's a post that talks about replacing the glass.
This part of a post mentions replacing it with a PEI sheet.

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Modeling software: 123D Design