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Re: Extruder Won't Heat--Upgraded to E3D

Then I'm betting the problem is there, SD's thermistor/heater wiring harnesses are known for failing.

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Well it looks like I'm out of commission again. Rewired directly to the board and still nothing. Ordered a new thermistor and insulation, so hopefully that gets here pretty quickly and I can try again.

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E3D thermistors shouldn't fail if installed/strain relieved properly. I have over 500 hours on mine.

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I have never had a failed thermistor on an E3D

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Followed the installation instructions to a T. Not sure where the issue could be. I broke everything down last night and reassembled, still nothing.

In RH, where it shows the extruder and bed temps, it says Extruder 1: (temp) Extruder XXXXXXXX (random numbers): (temp) Bed: (temp)

Is that normal after updating the firmware?

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Installed the new thermistor and I'm mostly up and running. I need to recheck all my connections, because something is loose somewhere. I got through a complete print at constant temperatures. However, I'm getting a lot of stuttering and hiccups in the print. Unless I have RH open as the main window, every now then it will stall and stutter until I click back in to RH. It's not a memory issue, because I don't have a bunch of processes happening at once, and I upgraded my memory a few months back to the max my machine can have.

Here is the print. Any suggestions on what needs tweaking?

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h33/wkevingossett/20150124_171603_zpsyghjtbxd.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h33/wkevingossett/20150124_171537_zpslhzxvzjb.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h33/wkevingossett/20150124_171616_zps7303kcj5.jpg

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Given the issues you've been having, that print turned out fairly OK.
It looks like you are over extruding a bit and some adjustment of the VREF of E: will take care of the Moire.
The stuttering and pausing sounds like an issue on the computer side of things.  Not much we can do to help with that.  You may want to try on a PC just to verify.

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I'm at my wit's end with this. After each print I can't get it to heat back up. I'm to the point where I feel like I need pull all the wires and rewire it from scratch. I just don't know what else to do

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Re: Extruder Won't Heat--Upgraded to E3D

Take a deep breath and walk away for a bit.
Then take a good hard look at the connection side of things.

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Not sure where to go from here. Rewired everything and still nothing. In addition to that, the thermistor wire broke off, so off to order yet another one. I just can't make heads or tails of this thing, and it's driving me crazy

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Look at ebay under 'e3d thermister'.  They have a screw-in one that works pretty good on the E3D v6.  I broke mine in short order - too antsy I guess.  Been using this one for a few months with no problems.  Seems to work OK.  I never did the firmware upgrade for pretty much the same reasons as you. 
As I said in another post to a similar problem, I have an IMac, but run Parallels (Windows7).  Works great.  The RH version for Mac is somewhat antiquated.  After reading so much about a firmware upgrade, I just may try it on the Windows side of the machine. 
The latest version of RH allows you to put in max extruder temp, so I wonder what does that take care of in regards to firmware upgrade........  I print mostly with PLA anyway.

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Replaced the thermistor, rewired directly to the board, rewired the extruder heater directly to the board, and still nothing. Is it possible I got a bad heater core? If I switch the extruder and bed heaters at the pins, the bed still heats on either, so I know it's not the board.

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Kevin Gossett wrote:

Replaced the thermistor, rewired directly to the board, rewired the extruder heater directly to the board, and still nothing. Is it possible I got a bad heater core? If I switch the extruder and bed heaters at the pins, the bed still heats on either, so I know it's not the board.

test the heater core by connecting it direct to an adequate 12v PSU.  If it heats up it's good.

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Re: Extruder Won't Heat--Upgraded to E3D

After some troubleshooting with Tim of Filastruder we determined there was most likely an open circuit in the wiring to the heater core. I pulled the wires and rewired again, and now I can successfully heat the extruder! On to test a print.

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Success! I'm not having any temp droupouts, and I'm able to finally print again!

Adjusted the VREF as well on the extruder motor, and I got rid of the moire. Recalibrated and I don't believe I'm overextruding anymore either. Thanks everyone for all the help smile

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Happy to hear you've figured it out.

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I am curious about the PID autotune. Is that necessary? I haven't done that yet, but I'm getting good results so far.

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Not nessecary but highly recommended!!!

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You just enter the new PID numbers into EEPROM within R-H.

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Yeah, that's why I haven't done it yet. You can't edit EEPROM in RH on a Mac.

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Actually you can it just isn't as simple you have to enter the correct m code.  I'll try and find a link.

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The instructions on this wiki will work for a Solidoodle. http://reprap.org/wiki/PID_Tuning

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EEPROM doesn't work on Mac's via RH. Have to adjust it manually using the M92..
In manual tab; hand send the code as per
http://reprap.org/wiki/G-code#M92:_Set_ … s_per_unit
http://reprap.org/wiki/G-code#M500:_sto … _in_EEPROM
http://reprap.org/wiki/G-code#M501:_rea … rom_EEPROM
http://reprap.org/wiki/G-code#M502:_rev … ttings.22.
Results are sent to the RH log window..

Re[3]: Mac
You adjust the steps-per-mm using M92
when its right, use M500 to write it to firmware
M501 will report what is currently in firmware.
you dont need to adjust the firmware directly - just need to do M92 with the right values, and M500 to write it to EEPROM.
Same thing the eeprom dialog does, just without the pretty interface.

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Alright, everything was chugging along just fine until last night I could smell a distinct burning smell. The connector for my bed heater started to melt. I clipped that one off and attached a new connector, and within seconds it started to melt as well. Any ideas?

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Check the resistance of the bed heater.

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