Re: Filament Extruder - Convert pellets to filament
I don't think it needs to be optical - they make some cheap limit switches that require .15N or less to actuate.
Edit: Looks like that's still not sensitive enough.
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I don't think it needs to be optical - they make some cheap limit switches that require .15N or less to actuate.
Edit: Looks like that's still not sensitive enough.
Is it possible to wire them up in a way that they can switch the motor on and off without getting a microprocessor involved?
Is it possible to wire them up in a way that they can switch the motor on and off without getting a microprocessor involved?
Sure - even if they're optical.
What about a drive motor with an adjustable clutch? We use this in the metal stamping industry for re reeling coils or running partial operations on contacts and coiling them back up. The industrial ones would be way overkill but it's nothing more that a motor spinning constant and a slip clutch set to take up the slack. You'd have to obviously have little to no tension on the filament but with a sensitive enough touch you could just let the weight of the loop of filament be enough to stop your clutch. Or set up a high low loop sensor like the feeders do. Once your loop gets to a certain height from the floor it triggers the motor on, and then another sensor triggers it off once the loop is raised.
See if maybe 3dprintergear will tell you how it's done in mass production and we can scale that idea down for home use.
The problem is that the allowable tension on the hot filament is nearly zero. You can blow on it and deform it for the first inch or two out of the hotend. That limits you to sensors - I don't think a clutch could be that sensitive.
I have an idea I'm pretty confident in, but need to get these next batch of betas out the door before I go back to experimenting. Speaking of which:
I came home from vacation to find that the PID controllers are not yet here. I expected them to be delivered over the holidays, but I guess USPS got behind in their deliveries. I'll do all the other work today - shipping labels, packing boxes, but they can't go out until the PID controllers get here. Sorry guys.
See if maybe 3dprintergear will tell you how it's done in mass production and we can scale that idea down for home use.
I am pretty sure it is spooled while still in a soft and heated state which would explain why there are never any defects in store bought filament. Probably going to be hard to replicate without putting the machine in an oven.
I like Lyman's setup where there are motorized pinch rollers before the spool. You can set the speed that gives you the right diameter, and the tension stays constant. Then you have a lot more leeway in how you handle the filament on the other side. You would then be able to use the mechanical switches to coordinate the spooling and the pinch roller.
Another thing we need to go with the filastruder is a way to weld filament together. Has anyone tried this?
The best bet for that would be something routed out in a material that is resistant to acetone, or printed and then coated in some kind of resist. The latter would be easiest for me, but I don't know what would work as a resist.
I like Lyman's setup where there are motorized pinch rollers before the spool. You can set the speed that gives you the right diameter, and the tension stays constant. Then you have a lot more leeway in how you handle the filament on the other side. You would then be able to use the mechanical switches to coordinate the spooling and the pinch roller.
If I'm picturing this correctly, it assumes the extrusion rate is constant. I'm not sure that's the case, though I don't any data for/against.
I like this - no chemicals!
Those prints he did were awesome...i want that!
I was thinking something along these lines, if the pull force out of the extruder is that touchy you could go with a start and stop trigger so you maintain a consistent loop, then you don't have to match speed the coiler would just adjust itself to whatever speed you were getting. Hopefully this conveys the idea, I got lazy and just sketched in autocad.

One more thing to add I think might be a spring loaded pinch roller (non-motorized) in front of the spool. This way you can get some tension to make a tight coil.
Yeah, and you'd need to come up with a guide that moves back and forth along the spool so you don't have all the filament on one side of the spool, unless you're doing only 1" spools or something then you'd likely be fine without it.
Also I was thinking that something which might help is a cool zone within the nozzle. If the nozzle could be longer and maybe cooled just before the opening, then the plastic would be firmer when it exits and not deformed by sideways movement of the filament. Or it could go into some kind of channel lined with a PTFE tube. The trick would be getting it to line up with the nozzle. It would be kind of like running the plastic backwards through a printer's hotend.
Does cooling need to be done right at the exit of the tip? For example would looping it into a meat loaf tin full of water work or is it already deformed by that point?
The only other thing I can think of without touching it would be to take copper pipes like you had in your original vapor bath, pump ice water through in a loop and have a tight coil of maybe 6 or 10 wraps that the filament passes through coming out of the extruder, should super cool it right as it comes out and maybe eliminate the stretching / deformation? Let me know if that makes sense, otherwise I break out the autocad again. (Don't make me do it) haha
Also I was thinking that something which might help is a cool zone within the nozzle. If the nozzle could be longer and maybe cooled just before the opening, then the plastic would be firmer when it exits and not deformed by sideways movement of the filament. Or it could go into some kind of channel lined with a PTFE tube. The trick would be getting it to line up with the nozzle. It would be kind of like running the plastic backwards through a printer's hotend.
Already on it.
Update this afternoon, hopefully.
EDIT: haven't had time to finish this - working on the beta kits.
Beta v2 is finished! I just fired it up.
Changes:
Got rid of the hotend/coldend flanges, since quality control was not very good on them, and they were getting misaligned.
Uses hopper v2 and hopperfunnelv2
I shortened the motor shaft, this is definitely optional
Uses a hex socket instead of setscrew shaft coupling. Hopefully this will grip the auger better
Did away with the threaded rod. This is much faster to assemble - I can do one in under an hour now.


That threaded rod was a PITA. I started using my drill to spin it rather than turn the nuts.
Was the auger trying to turn the hopper upside down? I apparently didn't get the hot end nipple on mine as tight as it could have been, because the auger turned it and tightened it up some more. Fortunately my heater and thermistor wires didn't run out of slack before it stopped.
That threaded rod was a PITA. I started using my drill to spin it rather than turn the nuts.
Was the auger trying to turn the hopper upside down? I apparently didn't get the hot end nipple on mine as tight as it could have been, because the auger turned it and tightened it up some more. Fortunately my heater and thermistor wires didn't run out of slack before it stopped.
I'm pretty sure the auger was turning the whole nipple, and the hopper went along for the ride. I didn't want to spill pellets, so I put a screw in, in case the nipple tightened some more. It seems to have stabilized now.
My hotend tightened itself up as well after 5 minutes into my first run. Freaked me out!
I printed out a lid for the funnel to keep dust out and giving it a more polished look then the ziplock bag I was using.
This weekend I'll be making more filament and doing my first test printing with it.
Post the STL, if you don't mind!
This is literally the first working thing I have ever designed and printed, so its a bit rough. I had to scale it to 1.03 to fit. So use at your own risk! Once I'm comfortable with the basic mechanics of 3d printers I plan to move to learning the design software.
Beta v2 is finished! I just fired it up.
Since I've not been able to even start assembling my Beta V1, is there any point in your sending me the changed parts and revised instructions, rather than my building Beta V1?
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