1 (edited by brandon 2015-02-15 20:32:32)

Topic: Temperature dropping out

First of all, thank you for all of you that helped me to NOT throw this through the window.  This week I have replaced the extruder, the feeder and a few small things here and there.

The print was going great until I got about 5-6 minutes in and the temperature on the extruder jsut dropped off.  Up until that point it was working beautifully but at that point it was jsut dragging the head over the print.

Any ideas?

Temperature chart attached

EDIT: Solved with new firmware version released just the other day.  If you do the E3D upgrade make sure you have the correct configuration.h file when you upgrade the firmware.

FURTHER EDIT: It did wind up that my thermistor was bad as well but Printed Solid sent me out a new one.  Kudos to them on good customer service!

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Re: Temperature dropping out

No chart attached

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Re: Temperature dropping out

No chart attached.  But if you are still getting a temp reading then your thermistor is probably fine.  Perhaps you broke a heater wire, or it came detached at the head or the connection to the board.  It could also break at the clip near the extruder motor.  Just a thought.

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Re: Temperature dropping out

I tried again this morning. Got this error at about the same point: 12:57:09.806 : echo:enqueing "M104 S0"
12:57:09.806 : echo:Extruder Heaters De-activated

Is is possible that I did not update the firmware correctly?  I did follow all of the directions but when I was done I did not see the change to the github address.  Attached is the temperature chart ... this time.

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Thinking about it, there was only one thing that I did differently in the firmware upgrade.  I did not change the 2 to a 3 in the first step because I have a solid doodle 2.  Is this actually a version thing? Should I have changed it anyway?

6 (edited by jagowilson 2015-01-30 20:09:27)

Re: Temperature dropping out

Did you change MAXTEMP? Looks like it's killing before 230 which is the default I believe. Set it to 300.

Edit: assuming you have an e3d is that correct?

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Yes, I upgraded to an E3d.  I did change the max temp to 350 but it looks like it might not have taken.

8 (edited by brandon 2015-01-30 20:23:42)

Re: Temperature dropping out

I tried it again but I am still getting the mendel parts web address which means that it is not taking the firmware for some reason.

It does go through the whiole process as verified by the result like: read Marlin.cpp.hex xx bytes, xx% usage, found halfkay bootloader, programming…………………..Booting

but for some reason it is not taking the firmware change

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Oh man, here I go again.  So frustrating because I am so close.  This thing is working perfectly for four minutes and then jsut shuts off.  This is what is in the window when it cuts out:

15:59:32.521 : N4288 G1 X86.727 Y101.72 E11.56283 *71
15:59:32.586 : N4289 G1 X84.831 Y102.112 E11.69733 *122
15:59:32.754 : echo:enqueing "M104 S0"
15:59:32.754 : echo:Extruder Heaters De-activated

I did double check and reflash the firmware again jsut to be absoultely freaking sur there were no issues.

I am stumped

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Try heating the extruder to 100c. Then 200c. You get the idea. I think you have not set the correct MAXTEMP, so find out if it will maintain some temps and not others.

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Tried doing that manually and it heats to about 31C and shuts down like before.

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Something is going on with your thermistor wiring.

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3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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If I run a job it will heat up to temp but not through the manual interface.

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Now the jobs are cutting out after less than a minute.  It keeps getting worse and worse.

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I will pull the whole thing apart and check the thermistor wiring ... again.

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You probably have the little tubing that goes on the thermistor legs too far from the head and its shorting on the heater block.

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Pulled the thermistor out and indeed it looks as though the blue tubing got hiked up as I put it into the hole.  So I am going to need to find a way to pull those blue shields back down.

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Gently slide the tubing back down it usually slides fairly easy.

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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Pulled the thermistor out, cut the wires, turned the blue shielding around and made sure as I put it into the hole that the shielding stayed.  Put it all back together, started a print and it failed at about the exact same time.

So close

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Then I bet it's a short/open circuit in the wiring. Are you using Solidoodle's wiring? It is known to be poor.

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Mostly, but I didn't have a problem with heating the extruder before so if it is the wiring then I have to assume that it is my wiring.

When I first got it I had to go through and redo a bunch of wiring because there were connections missing all over the place but I did get those fixed.

Edit: Just spent the better part of an hour checking all of the wiring, the thermistor, etc.  It has to be something in the software.

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Set it to something low like 50C, and move the print head around by hand for a minute or so at various speeds. If you get a MAXTEMP/MINTEMP error, it is wiring related.

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elmoret wrote:

Set it to something low like 50C, and move the print head around by hand for a minute or so at various speeds. If you get a MAXTEMP/MINTEMP error, it is wiring related.

+1

I've been a little busy to respond. I bet a dollar it is bad thermistor wiring. I went through 3 in the last year from my horrid wiring and it did the same. If it was able to heat up initially, then drop off during the job, it is a flaw somewhere between the thermistor or the plug to the board. If there is a loss of signal (frayed/severed line), you would get a short as elmoret stated.

From my experience, it is exceptionally easy to manhandle the thermistor to the point of a state of uselessness. smile

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I thought that I had it.  Uninstalled all of the software, cleaned any remnants out of the registry and App Data and reinstalled.

Went for 6 minutes then started dropping just like every other one. 

Even tried another model just in case.

12 hours just today on this thing.

All the hair on my head is gone.  I've started ripping the hair our of my beard.

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Just saw your post Azerate.  Okay, I guess I will pull apart the whole thing tomorrow and check it again.  But you are right, I have pretty much mangled the thermistor and now I am going to have to buy a replacement if I start messing around with it again.  I just know it is going to break.

So I should probably buy a backup.  How do I know which one to buy?